change from the previous two days. >> all right. so, i want to get laurie's since she's been in the room, of whether she believes him at this point. but first, let me ask you this, we're in a south african court, there's going to be a judge, there's going to be magistrate is if this goes to trial. how quickly is it revolved and what is the standard of proof? because i want to use that to get laurie's point of view? >> their standard is similar to ours. they have the presumption of innocence, and they have proof beyond a reasonable doubt. it's necessary for the prosecution to prove every essential element beyond a reasonable doubt. it doesn't shift to the defendant. now, the defendant can testify, but it's not required to testify, and he has the right to be protected under the right of self-incrimination. so, in some ways, it is similar. where it's different is after this bail hearing, ultimately, the case will be tried in front of a judge and not a jury. >> laurie, let me ask you, because as ted just said, the standard is similar to that in the united states