it's laurie johnson, the head of the international business consulting firm burg associates, laurie you're most welcome. just on the left, her point i was making the new york times is reporting at that the us didn't. e disclose the rest of all it knew about the attack, fearing it would reveal to moscow certain intelligence methods, those keeping your tactics under wraps does not justify. and i look for us to be taking place. no, no, don't we look, you're in the i, i used to work in the office of the court. it was then called the coordinator for counter terrorism is now the bureau of counter terrorism. the very 1st job i had was figuring out how do we want the public if we have credible specific intelligence about a terrorist attack. and in this case, the united states did not follow protocol a number. what if they had information about an attack that was going to take place in moscow, where there are american citizens running around? then you share everything you have with the russian counterpart in the specifics. because it's not just about protecting russians, it's about protecting ameri

guess onto the program at we have got a former c, i, a analyst on ceo of virg associates and laurie johnson and veteran war zone. correspondent and political a list, elijah mcneil at you're both very welcome at laurie. can we begin with you? we're just hearing from the un secretary general's office saying that he was quotes . sab moved by reports of the shooting. the white heis earlier saying that it's a tragic terrorist that a vend but ukraine are you creating ins were not involved in terms of the introduction response so far what, what is your take? oh yeah that's, that's lots of people. okay. lot, i used to do this for a living, what i was at the state department in the office of counter terrorism. so number one, we have to go back to mar 7 when both united states and united kingdom issue warnings, their embassies and moscow, to the respective citizens, to be prepared for a terrorist attack within the next 2448 hours. those kinds of warnings are not issued unless you have some specific intelligence that is, consider those 2 things, specific and credible. normally, if you've got really so

i a analyst, laurie johnson, asia history, gong leading for him to his connection. or there's only one person to have one group, one entity that would benefit, and that would be ukraine. the fact remains that there are isis fighters that are fighting on the side of ukraine against russia. this is not a very black and white picture. there's a lot of gray here. and within that gray, you find the intelligence organizations conveniently making use of some of these groups when it suits their purpose. it would not be the 1st time in history that the united states aligned itself at arm terrace. let's be clear about one thing. the united states and the rest of the major nato countries have been facilitating terrorist attacks for ukraine, for more than 2 years. the assassination of alexandra dorgan's daughter. as of example, the continued shelling of places like bells go wrong with missiles watkins artillery pieces provided by the wes, that's as much facilitating terrorism as it was. whoever bought these guys the rifles in stashed it for these guys to go shoot civilians. i t

russian authorities might learn their intelligence sources or methods. pharmacy on the list, laurie johnson told off savings united states had and so they didn't follow the protocol is showing information with moscow. the motto i was taught early on a ca and they've got a motto it mit, nothing. deny everything. make counter accusations, in this case, the united states did not follow protocol a number. what if they had information about an attack that was going to take place in moscow, where there are american citizens running around? then you share everything you have with the russian counterpart. this is very dest, ingenuous in this, on us, on the part of the united states. because when you go back and look at the public warning that was issued, it was issued only for 48 hours. they didn't say other something may happen within the next 48 hours. but if it doesn't, you know, we're not sure when it could happen. no, no, no, no. they said, hey, there's 48 hours. this is part of the new intelligence community propaganda effort to try to just push the mean the story line, the rush, it was warne

coming on the program a short notice as well. former c i. analysts on see you a burg associates, laurie johnson, and also veterans voice own correspondent on political, almost, elijah, my dear, thank you both gentlemen, i think is thank you, and then bye bye. okay, well, let's recap this situation. as it stands, media reports say there are no 130 casualties at the intelligence services. the f. s be here in russia. it say that 40 people are now confirmed dead in this mass shooting attack in north west moscow. and we know that to, by the way, these are life pictures right now. i've just side side, the car park as and the special forces at keep a i over. and people going in a nice and that is one of the issues here. whether or whether or not there are still at people still shooters active inside or outside the building. well frontage all that the crocus, cities, visitors flying over a bridge up to the attack has emerged as well. we'll try and bring that to you. at least one explosion was reportedly heard in the building. the roof could be seen a place, a media report say it has begun to collapse.

larry johnson. laurie is good to have you join me right now. we have a little different in these scripts of messages arriving on kid stones in roster. what are your thoughts on who could be organizing something like this? and if it fits so called big state tactics to so chaos, you know, i, i wouldn't pay that much attention to that. i, i think this entire story about that the people that carried out the attack problem because we're just sitting around mining their own business. when all of a sudden they got a notification on telegram and an offer to be hired to go kill people. and yep, we're told that it's isis k and isis k implies it entirely different thing in terms of religious extremists. so i think a lot of this is just clutter, trying to clutter up the area to get people distracted. the focus of this i think to just to be up on what did the united states know, and when did they know it? you know, i had, i, i helped clear up this for over 30 years. all i was an intelligent samples. i saw the war intelligence coming in, never in the history