miss robinson. laurie: you rightly point out that training is important and stressed is really there for police officers to deal with. i will say that there are different situations that are very limited, in which police officers do need, unfortunately, to use lethal force. if there is a hostage situation and a hostage is about debbie killed, and there are offenders with guns and somebody has a chance to rescue that hostage, we can think of situations where violent drug gangs or whatever it might be, that in that rare situation, there may be a need for lethal force. that is why it is authorized by law for police officers to use. the problem is, those events should be extraordinarily rare. pedro: gary in orlando, florida. you are next. hello. laurie robinson my name is gary -- caller: my name is gary robinson. -- my name is gary. i grew up in new york city. my father worked for new york city transit. i assumed the police were good, but in 1977, december 3, i went to church, came home, with my brother, 14, m

. >> this is our guest laurie robinson of george mason university, you heard her talk about the work at the white house when it comes to this issue. if you want to ask questions about efforts 202-748-8000 or 202-748-8001 or 202-748-8002. you can text thoughts at 202-748-8003. you talked about the influence the federal government has on this, we heard from attorney general merrick garland yesterday, talking about investigations. i want to play a little bit about the why of why they're doing that and get your response to it. >> we are uniquely aware of the challenges faced by those who serve as police officers. we see their commitment firsthand every day, and we recognize the complex issues that make their already difficult jobs even harder. the justice department is also charged with ensuring that the constitutional and federal statutory rights of all people are protected. as i explained last week, congress has authorized the department to conduct pattern or practice investigations to help it fulfill that responsibility. those investigations and the recommendations and actions that en

. >> for our guest, this is jim in missouri, democrat's line you're on with laurie robinson, go ahead. >> good morning. myself i would say the default is that police are not supposed to kill people. sure defend yourselves, you know, defend somebody else. the same as any other citizen carrying a gun. now if i make a mistake and i shoot somebody with a phone to their head, i will go to jail. treat the police the same as everybody else. legislating use of force, they talk about training as if it's -- was written in the bible somewhere. if the training results in bad results, change the training.

guest: -- host: this is laurie robinson.f you want to ask her questions, (202) 748-8000 . -- (202) 748-8000 and the eastern and central time zones. (202) 748-8002 if you are in the mountain and pacific time zones. you can also text us at (202) 748-8003. you talked about the amount of influence the federal government has on this issue. i want to play a little bit about the why, the why they are doing that. >> we are uniquely aware of the challenges faced by those who serve as police officers. we see their commitment firsthand every and we recognize the complex issues that make their already difficult jobs already -- already difficult jobs even harder. also charged with ensuring that the constitutional and federal statutory rights of all people are protected. as i explained last week, congress has authorized the department to conduct practiced investigations to help it fulfill that response ability. those investigations and the recommendations and actions that ensue not only protect individuals civil-rights, they also assist p

guest: -- host: this is laurie robinson.you want to ask her questions, (202) 748-8000 . -- (202) 748-8000 and the eastern and central time zones. (202) 748-8002 if you are in the mountain and pacific time zones. you can also text us at (202) 748-8003. you talked about the amount of influence the federal government has on this issue. i want to play a little bit about the why, the why they are doing that. >> we are uniquely aware of the challenges faced by those who serve as police officers. we see their commitment firsthand every and we recognize the complex issues that make their already difficult jobs already -- already difficult jobs even harder. also charged with ensuring that the constitutional and federal statutory rights of all people are protected. as i explained last week, congress has authorized the department to conduct practiced investigations to help it fulfill that response ability. those investigations and the recommendations and actions that ensue not only protect individuals civil-rights, they also assist pol

pedro: when it comes to qualified immunity, laurie robinson, i want to play lindsey graham, republican from south carolina, talking about what qualified immunity doesn't what he would like to see. i will play his perspective and then get yours. >> number one, we would have had police reform in the last congress but chuck schumer and kamala harris block ringing up, scot's reform bill. they filibustered the -- filibustered because they didn't want him scott and president trump to get credit. we will try again. qualified immunity is a big deal. >> the u.s. house is about to gavel in for a brief pro forma session. this is part of c-span's commitment to bring you live, gavel-to-gavel coverage of congress. we head to the floor of the u.s. house on c-span. [captioning made possible by the national captioning institute, i nc., in cooperation with the united states house of representatives. any use of the closed-captioned coverage of the house proceedings for political or commercial purposes is expressly prohibited by the u.s. house of representatives.] the speaker: the house will be in order.