and at 5:00, a panel on surveillance and secrets with laurie andrews, annie jacobsen and laurie shermer. the entire schedule is online at booktv.org. >>> this month, wired magazine includes a cover story abouted construction a $2 billion computer spy center in utah for the national security agency. this heavily fortified center would be used to intercept store and analyze communication from around the world. we talk about the articles author on wednesday's washington journal. >>> as part our spot line on magazine theorys, we're talking today about the recent cover issue of wired magazine about the national security agency building a new and -- the countries biggest center. the author is joining us, he's the author of several books on the nsa. we've been following the nsa for many years now. what is the utah data center? >> well, it's an enormous warehouse, basically, where nsa's going to keep all of its intercepts, all its communication that's intercepted whether phone calls, e-mails, or tweets, whatever kind of communications it picks up it has a place to store them and then will serve