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and laurie smith herself is not refusing services to people on the basis of their class. if a same-sex couple came and said we want a website about selling our house or we want a website advertising our business or something, she's absolutely happy to do that. this is not because of their class. similarly, if a heterosexual couple said -- and we want it said we want a website celebrating some aspect of anything that she disagrees with, she's not willing to take that. it doesn't have to do with the person. it has to do with the message. this is why some of these theories of what if someone would refuse blacks at a lunch counter again, that's utterly unrelated to this case. that has nothing to do with speech. that actually did have to do with the color of the person's skin. this is something that's very different. it's limited to speech. that's why it's a free speech case. it's limited to people who are bringing a message. and again, laurie smith is happy to give a whole range of messages for same-sex attracted individuals. she's not happy to do messages that celebrate a pa
and laurie smith herself is not refusing services to people on the basis of their class. if a same-sex couple came and said we want a website about selling our house or we want a website advertising our business or something, she's absolutely happy to do that. this is not because of their class. similarly, if a heterosexual couple said -- and we want it said we want a website celebrating some aspect of anything that she disagrees with, she's not willing to take that. it doesn't have to do with...
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host: i'm want to come back to laurie smith. a question from michael thorton on twitter asking, cannot block business owners refused to provide services because they are white or vice versa? can a jew or muslim refused to serve a christian? i would like to know the answers. guest: lori serves everybody regardless of their identity and background. we are focused on beliefs. it is not about the who it is the message that she is being asked to express. should a democrat website designer be forced to design a website for ron desantis? if they disagree with the message then the constitution protects their right to decline to do so. this is not about declining to serve a person but rather a message. the government should never force any american to support a message that conflicts with their beliefs about a variety of topics. they should never have the power to force any of us to say or do things that violate our deeply held beliefs. host: on the line for those who identify as as lgbtq. guest: hi matt and john. where is matt getting s
host: i'm want to come back to laurie smith. a question from michael thorton on twitter asking, cannot block business owners refused to provide services because they are white or vice versa? can a jew or muslim refused to serve a christian? i would like to know the answers. guest: lori serves everybody regardless of their identity and background. we are focused on beliefs. it is not about the who it is the message that she is being asked to express. should a democrat website designer be forced...
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. >> reporter: the justices ruled 6-3 and favor of laurie smith who sued over a state law saying making wedding websites for same-sex marriages conflicts with her religious beliefs and colorado's law violates her right to free speech. >> there are some messages i can create no matter who requested them. >> reporter: writing for the court, justice neil gorsuch sites first amendment protection, saying colorado seeks to force an individual to speak in ways that align with its views but defy her conscious about a matter of major significance. in her dissent, justice sonia sotomayor wrote for the first time in its history, the court grants a business open to the public a constitutional right to refuse to serve members of a protected class. back to what is expected later this hour. we are expecting to hear from president biden. he said in a statement the fight is not over and he promised to detail his next steps, possible new executive action or other legal avenues he could pursue on student loan relief. >> lgbtq advocates worry the court's ruling in the web designers case paves the way for e
. >> reporter: the justices ruled 6-3 and favor of laurie smith who sued over a state law saying making wedding websites for same-sex marriages conflicts with her religious beliefs and colorado's law violates her right to free speech. >> there are some messages i can create no matter who requested them. >> reporter: writing for the court, justice neil gorsuch sites first amendment protection, saying colorado seeks to force an individual to speak in ways that align with its...
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finally, the court will decide a case involving a colorado graphic designer named laurie smith. she's an evangelical christian who wants to expand her business to do wedding websites, but she's opposed to marriage and the law in colorado would require her to do same wedding sites if she also does opposite wedding sites. she says colorado law violates her right to free speech. but opponents say if she wins, it could open the door to all kinds of discrimination, people with disabilities. >> african americans, jews, muslims, others, findings also acts as the marketplace. you can define your service. so you exclude higher category people. noelle bellow kron, 4 news. >> we could see the first batch of supreme court decisions by tomorrow morning at about 7 o'clock in the morning. our time. >> up next, a new deal is brewing between state government and hollywood. >> it's looking to expand >> it's looking to expand safety on sets. ♪ cyberattacks on public infrastructure threaten the institutions we all rely on. major enterprises around the world, healthcare companies, energy companies,
finally, the court will decide a case involving a colorado graphic designer named laurie smith. she's an evangelical christian who wants to expand her business to do wedding websites, but she's opposed to marriage and the law in colorado would require her to do same wedding sites if she also does opposite wedding sites. she says colorado law violates her right to free speech. but opponents say if she wins, it could open the door to all kinds of discrimination, people with disabilities. >>...
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of course, laurie smith, the web designer at the heart of all of this, we'll hear from her in just ader justice, jeff graverman out of minnesota. i will explain on the back end of what they say in a moment. but first take a listen to what they said in the immediate aftermath of the decision dropping down this morning. >> this case has always been about speech, and when speech is concerned speech should be protected. so today's victory protects not just me but them as well, protects the lgbtq website designer just as much as it protects me. it is really hard to see the majority of the court strike such a blow for anti-discrimination law. no one really wants to go about their lives thinking, if i go to this place, if i go to this restaurant, if i go to this store, am i going to be turned away for who i am. the court seems to say, well, that's just, you know, a part of life. >> reporter: so obviously two very different reactions there. we asked laurie smith a couple of questions, and you heard, she says she feels like it is a win for free speech, for first amendment. she is obviously th
of course, laurie smith, the web designer at the heart of all of this, we'll hear from her in just ader justice, jeff graverman out of minnesota. i will explain on the back end of what they say in a moment. but first take a listen to what they said in the immediate aftermath of the decision dropping down this morning. >> this case has always been about speech, and when speech is concerned speech should be protected. so today's victory protects not just me but them as well, protects the...
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in the other ruling, the justices sided with laurie smith's argument that she is protected by the first amendment from being forced to express messages through her work that she is against. she challenged colorado's public accommodations law which prohibits disdiscrimination. this case is similar to one five years ago when a cake baker refused to bake a wedding cake for a gay couple on religious reasons. this case focused only on first amendment rights with the court ruling 6-3 in her favor. she's an evangelical christian who says she believes marriage should be between a man and a woman. the biden administration backed colorado. in washington, brie jackson, nbc news. >> barbara lee responding to the court's decision on student loan debt. "i strongly urge the biden administration to use the tools at his disposal to cancel student debt regardless of scotus' decision to ignore the letter of the law in its backwards decision." now, scotus ruled in favor of a colorado web designer who refuses to create websites for supples because of religious reasons. that designer sued the state of colora
in the other ruling, the justices sided with laurie smith's argument that she is protected by the first amendment from being forced to express messages through her work that she is against. she challenged colorado's public accommodations law which prohibits disdiscrimination. this case is similar to one five years ago when a cake baker refused to bake a wedding cake for a gay couple on religious reasons. this case focused only on first amendment rights with the court ruling 6-3 in her favor....
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finally, the court will decide a case involving a colorado graphic designer named laurie smith.n evangelical christian who wants to expand her business to do wedding websites, but she's opposed to marriage and the law in colorado would require her to do same wedding sites if she also does opposite wedding sites. she says colorado law violates her right to free speech. but opponents say if she wins, it could open the door to all kinds of discrimination, people with disabilities. >> african americans, jews, muslims, others findings also acts as the marketplace. you can define your service. so you exclude higher category of people while bellow kron. 4 news. >> we could see the first batch of supreme court decisions as soon as tomorrow morning around 07:00am our time. keep you posted there. meanwhile, moscow still picking up the pieces after a near rebellion by its own mercenaries. the head of the wagner mercenary group released the first statement since ending its march 2 moscow claiming that the group was, quote, bound to cease existence on july. first in the head of the group was
finally, the court will decide a case involving a colorado graphic designer named laurie smith.n evangelical christian who wants to expand her business to do wedding websites, but she's opposed to marriage and the law in colorado would require her to do same wedding sites if she also does opposite wedding sites. she says colorado law violates her right to free speech. but opponents say if she wins, it could open the door to all kinds of discrimination, people with disabilities. >> african...
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but we are talking about laurie smith and how the supreme court has ruled in favor of her right to refuse to make a wedding website for gay couples on free speech crowns. so the argument goes like this, that a wedding website, a website, in this case, counts as an expressive activity. and if she were to make one for a gay couple, that would mean that she is forced to express views that wrong contrary to her own, that view presumably being of that gay people should be allowed to marry. and if she refuses her services to gay couples, it means that she won't be punished under the states anti discrimination laws. at this point, it's interesting to note that no one has actually sued her for refusing to make a wedding website for gay couples. she appears to be taking legal action on purely, if you're radical grounds. but this decision opens up a pandora's box of questions. hypothetically, any business can say that it's a services are expressive services. it seems that all you have to do now to deny a service to someone is to say, you disagree with them on ideological grounds. as such, you know,
but we are talking about laurie smith and how the supreme court has ruled in favor of her right to refuse to make a wedding website for gay couples on free speech crowns. so the argument goes like this, that a wedding website, a website, in this case, counts as an expressive activity. and if she were to make one for a gay couple, that would mean that she is forced to express views that wrong contrary to her own, that view presumably being of that gay people should be allowed to marry. and if...
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a website designer, as you were saying, laurie smith, it was essentially a pre—emptive case, saying she is an evangelical christian and it ran against her religious beliefs. she is concerned this would violate colorado's anti—discrimination laws. the case has arrived at the supreme court, and they have agreed to her essentially, that her right to free speech means she should not be forced to provide the services. this has been seen as a ruling with potentially huge implications for lgbt rights, and of course for other states that have these anti—dissemination laws. we will have to look at the details of the ruling, but the question is, to what extent could disallow other businesses to refuse services not just on the basis of somebody�*s sexuality, but on the basis of their sexuality, but on the basis of their sex their race as well? we will have to read the ruling in its detail in terms of how wide—ranging it is, but this comes a day after this conservative leaning supreme court, by 6—3 again today, ruled yesterday that race could no longer be considered as a factor in terms of universi
a website designer, as you were saying, laurie smith, it was essentially a pre—emptive case, saying she is an evangelical christian and it ran against her religious beliefs. she is concerned this would violate colorado's anti—discrimination laws. the case has arrived at the supreme court, and they have agreed to her essentially, that her right to free speech means she should not be forced to provide the services. this has been seen as a ruling with potentially huge implications for lgbt...
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finally, the court will decide a case involving a colorado graphic designer named laurie smith. an evangelical christian who wants to expand her business to do wedding websites, but she's opposed to marriage and the law in colorado would require her to do same wedding sites. if she also does opposite wedding sites. she says the colorado law violates her right to free speech. but opponents say if she wins, it could open the door to all kinds of discrimination, people with disabilities. >> african americans, jews, muslims, others, findings also acts as the marketplace. you can define your service. so you exclude higher category of people. noelle bellow kron, 4 news. >> we could see the first batch of supreme court decisions tomorrow morning at 7 o'clock in the morning. our time. as part of president biden's internet for all initiative, california will get almost 2 billion dollars for broadband access. senators alex padilla and dianne feinstein made the announcement today. senator padilla, thank the biden administration for the funding saying, quote, access to high-speed internet i
finally, the court will decide a case involving a colorado graphic designer named laurie smith. an evangelical christian who wants to expand her business to do wedding websites, but she's opposed to marriage and the law in colorado would require her to do same wedding sites. if she also does opposite wedding sites. she says the colorado law violates her right to free speech. but opponents say if she wins, it could open the door to all kinds of discrimination, people with disabilities. >>...
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trying to enforce them, but in this case, the high court in a divided ruling has ruled in favor of laurie smith, that graphic designer who as you mentioned said he wants to make wedding websites but hasn't made any thus far. she fears being fined under colorado's law which applies to all public accommodations which says as long as you're holding your business out to the public you have to treat everybody equally, which means you can't discriminate on the basis of sexual orientation, that violates her right to free speech. she has said in interviews she's happy to make other types of websites for gay individuals, it's not just that she doesn't want to discriminate. she says in particular when it comes to marriage, that's something that she opposes. now, of course this is a court that has largely ruled in favor of those who have made religious freedom type of arguments before, but we should note this is a different type of case. this is on first amendment grounds. so it doesn't depend on the fact that she has a religious objection to it. she could have actually objected to it for any reason as lo
trying to enforce them, but in this case, the high court in a divided ruling has ruled in favor of laurie smith, that graphic designer who as you mentioned said he wants to make wedding websites but hasn't made any thus far. she fears being fined under colorado's law which applies to all public accommodations which says as long as you're holding your business out to the public you have to treat everybody equally, which means you can't discriminate on the basis of sexual orientation, that...
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finally, the court will decide a case involving a colorado graphic designer named laurie smith. she's an evangelical christian who wants to expand her business to do wedding websites, but she's opposed to marriage and the law in colorado would require her to do same wedding sites if she also does opposite wedding sites. she says colorado law violates her right to free speech. but opponents say if she wins, it could open the door to all kinds of discrimination, people with disabilities. >> african americans, jews, muslims, others, findings also acts as the marketplace. you can define your service. so you exclude higher category people. noelle bellow kron, 4 news. >> and we could see the first batch of supreme court decisions tomorrow morning at about 7 o'clock in the morning. our time. check it out. it is almost july and some roads in yosemite are still blocked that snow. you can see crews here working to clear title the roads around the homestead point avalanche zone. they say there. there's a lot of blue ice, which is the hardest to clear out been a while, apparently even bulld
finally, the court will decide a case involving a colorado graphic designer named laurie smith. she's an evangelical christian who wants to expand her business to do wedding websites, but she's opposed to marriage and the law in colorado would require her to do same wedding sites if she also does opposite wedding sites. she says colorado law violates her right to free speech. but opponents say if she wins, it could open the door to all kinds of discrimination, people with disabilities. >>...
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the court will decide on a case involving a colorado graphic designer name laurie smith. she's and evangelical christian and she wants to expand her business to do any website along colorado and required to do same wedding site. is she also does opposite wedding size as she's opposed to marriage. she says the law violates a right to free speech. but opponents say she wins that could actually open the door to all kinds of discrimination. now we could see the supreme court's decision today around 07:00am our time. so we'll be watching. still ahead of the crowd, the morning news governor gavin newsom and legislative leaders reached a deal on the state budget. why deal on the state budget. why some lawmaker i'm adding downy unstopables to my wash. now i'll be smelling fresh all day long. (sniff) still fresh. still fresh! mmm, still fresh! get 6x longer-lasting freshness, plus odor protection with downy unstopables. martial arts is my passion. i work out whenever i can. but with my moderate- to-severe eczema, it can be tough. my skin was so uncomfortable. the itching was so ba
the court will decide on a case involving a colorado graphic designer name laurie smith. she's and evangelical christian and she wants to expand her business to do any website along colorado and required to do same wedding site. is she also does opposite wedding size as she's opposed to marriage. she says the law violates a right to free speech. but opponents say she wins that could actually open the door to all kinds of discrimination. now we could see the supreme court's decision today around...
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laurie smith is evangelical christian from colorado who designs wedding websites. smith argued that because her designs are protected by the first amendment. she the right to refuse to work with lgbtq couples. today, the high court agreed in the majority opinion justice neil gorgeous wrote that the first amendment and visions all persons are free to think and speak as they wished not as the government demands. paul smith is with georgetown law and he says that he disagrees with this decision. >> first time ever that the court has held that it you can go into a for-profit profit business serving the public and still discriminate lawyers, doctors, lots of people talk in the course of providing a service to the public. so it's concerning partly because it's hard to see where it stops. >> legal experts fear this ruling could open the door for businesses and professionals to refuse service to all types of minorities. and since the supreme court op opinion is based on constitutional protection, there's not much that congress can and back now to talk about our hot weather
laurie smith is evangelical christian from colorado who designs wedding websites. smith argued that because her designs are protected by the first amendment. she the right to refuse to work with lgbtq couples. today, the high court agreed in the majority opinion justice neil gorgeous wrote that the first amendment and visions all persons are free to think and speak as they wished not as the government demands. paul smith is with georgetown law and he says that he disagrees with this decision....
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finally, the court will decide a case involving a colorado graphic designer named laurie smith. she's an evangelical christian who wants to expand her business to do wedding websites, but she's opposed to marriage and the law in colorado would require her to do same wedding sites if she also does opposite wedding sites. she says colorado law violates her right to free speech. but opponents say if she wins, it could open the door to all kinds of discrimination, people with disabilities. >> african americans, jews, muslims, others findings also acts as the marketplace. you can define your service. so you exclude higher category people. noelle bellow kron, 4 news. >> we could see the first batch of supreme court decisions tomorrow morning at about 7 o'clock in the morning. our time. developing news tonight, a robot in scouring the ocean floor to try to recover debris after that deadly implosion of the titan submersible. investigators are now working to determine if any laws were broken. the u.s. coast guard convened a marine board of investigators to learn more about the disaster t
finally, the court will decide a case involving a colorado graphic designer named laurie smith. she's an evangelical christian who wants to expand her business to do wedding websites, but she's opposed to marriage and the law in colorado would require her to do same wedding sites if she also does opposite wedding sites. she says colorado law violates her right to free speech. but opponents say if she wins, it could open the door to all kinds of discrimination, people with disabilities. >>...
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finally, the court will decide a case involving a colorado graphic designer named laurie smith.he's an evangelical christian who wants to expand her business to do wedding websites, but she's opposed to marriage and the law in colorado would require her to do same wedding sites. if she also does opposite wedding sites. she says colorado law violates her right to free speech. but opponents say if she wins, it could open the door to all kinds of discrimination, people with disabilities. >> african americans, jews, muslims, others, findings also acts as the marketplace. you can define your service. so you exclude higher category people. noelle bellow kron, 4 news. >> now we could see that first batch of supreme court decisions this morning at about 07:00am our time. all right. well, we have some breaking overnight news. 2 men are dead following a shooting last night in the les hill. police say they got a call about a car crash in the 300 block of alhambra avenue in the city south in when officers got to the scene, they found 2 men suffering from gunshot wounds. there. both men were
finally, the court will decide a case involving a colorado graphic designer named laurie smith.he's an evangelical christian who wants to expand her business to do wedding websites, but she's opposed to marriage and the law in colorado would require her to do same wedding sites. if she also does opposite wedding sites. she says colorado law violates her right to free speech. but opponents say if she wins, it could open the door to all kinds of discrimination, people with disabilities. >>...
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finally, the court will decide a case involving a colorado graphic designer named laurie smith.her business to do wedding websites, but she's opposed to marriage and the law in colorado would require her to do same wedding sites. if she also does opposite wedding sites. she says the colorado law violates her right to free speech. but opponents say if she wins, it could open the door to all kinds of discrimination, people with disabilities. >> african americans, jews, muslims, others findings also acts as the marketplace. you can define your service. so you exclude higher category of people. >> well, we could see the first batch of supreme court decisions tomorrow morning starting around 07:00am our time. u.s. officials are trying to figure out what comes next in russia after brief armed rebellion this weekend that was aimed at the russian military leadership. our washington correspondent trevor shirley brings us the very latest on that. >> well, that rebellion ended almost as quickly as it started. but u.s. foreign policy experts say this will have some kind of lasting impact on
finally, the court will decide a case involving a colorado graphic designer named laurie smith.her business to do wedding websites, but she's opposed to marriage and the law in colorado would require her to do same wedding sites. if she also does opposite wedding sites. she says the colorado law violates her right to free speech. but opponents say if she wins, it could open the door to all kinds of discrimination, people with disabilities. >> african americans, jews, muslims, others...
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and only allow them to come to the window of the establishment, and she said, it is as if this laurie smith in this case who runs this 303 creative enterprise will only sell at the side counter. so a very dramatic rendering and very disparate rendering of what was the facts of the case were and the law at issue, and the whole time that justice sotomayor was reading the excerpts of her dissent, neil gorsuch instead of tilting his head toward her as often happens, he looked straight at her, and not flinching at all. i am sure he was quite firm in what he believed and quite firm in the majority that he was able to get for this case to side with this woman who i should remind everyone has not in any way been sanctioned by the state of colorado, has not been found in any way to be not abiding by the state's public accommodations law, but she had brought this case in what is known as preenforcement challenge. so in so many ways, this case was kind of created out of the facts that don't quite fully exist yet, and that is another thing that justice soao otomayo pointed up. and should i go to the ne
and only allow them to come to the window of the establishment, and she said, it is as if this laurie smith in this case who runs this 303 creative enterprise will only sell at the side counter. so a very dramatic rendering and very disparate rendering of what was the facts of the case were and the law at issue, and the whole time that justice sotomayor was reading the excerpts of her dissent, neil gorsuch instead of tilting his head toward her as often happens, he looked straight at her, and...
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finally, the court will decide a case involving a colorado graphic designer named laurie smith. she's an evangelical christian who wants to expand her business to do wedding websites. but she's opposed to marriage and the law in colorado would require her to do same wedding sites. if she also does opposite wedding sites. she says colorado law violates her right to free speech. but opponents say if she wins, it could open the door to all kinds of discrimination, people with disabilities. >> african americans, jews, muslims, others, findings also acts as the marketplace. you can define your service. so you exclude higher category of people. noelle bellow kron, 4 news. >> well, we have some breaking news overnight. 2 men are dead following a shooting last night in toledo. >> police say they got a call about a car crash in the 300 block of alhambra avenue in the city south in when officers got to that scene, they found 2 men suffering from gunshot wounds. both men were taken to the hospital where they later died. the shooting actually marks the 9th and homicide this year in valais.
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host: i'm want to come back to laurie smith. question from michael thorton on twitter asking, cannot block business owners refused to provide services because they are white or vice versa? can a jew or muslim refused to serve a christian? i would like to know the answers. guest: lori serves everybody regardless of their identity and background. we are focused on beliefs. it is not about the who it is the message that she is being asked to express. should a democrat website designer be forced to design a website for ron desantis? if they disagree with the message then the constitution protects their right to decline to do so. this is not about declining to serve a person but rather a message. the government should never force any american to support a message that conflicts with their beliefs about a variety of topics. they should never have the power to force any of us to say or do things that violate our deeply held beliefs. host: on the line for those who identify as as lgbtq. guest: hi matt and john. where is matt getting som
host: i'm want to come back to laurie smith. question from michael thorton on twitter asking, cannot block business owners refused to provide services because they are white or vice versa? can a jew or muslim refused to serve a christian? i would like to know the answers. guest: lori serves everybody regardless of their identity and background. we are focused on beliefs. it is not about the who it is the message that she is being asked to express. should a democrat website designer be forced to...
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yes, we stood up and told the truth about who then robert smith is a war criminal, a bully and a lawyer strategy or should be proud of laurie's been in the s i s, i have the majority in the s i s, and i stood up to what was rice and may have been vindicated. so our clock is more not from for 5 years of legal process, a $110.00 days and cools. and today being thursday here in city, we had that verdict and been robot smith's. the most highly decorated living soldier he won the victoria across beckett was awarded the victoria across, back in 2010. he had his case display. so this is a defamation case against those 3 newspapers being the camper times the city moni harold and the age of the court found in favor of those 3 media outlets. and those newspapers had published a series of articles that had both been robot smith uh, being involved with the a move and killing of s can civilian 6 s can civilians during his time of deployment. you know, it's gonna stand between 20092012 justice st. i found that there was enough evidence in those published these type of articles to successfully establish those reports which true. now there a
yes, we stood up and told the truth about who then robert smith is a war criminal, a bully and a lawyer strategy or should be proud of laurie's been in the s i s, i have the majority in the s i s, and i stood up to what was rice and may have been vindicated. so our clock is more not from for 5 years of legal process, a $110.00 days and cools. and today being thursday here in city, we had that verdict and been robot smith's. the most highly decorated living soldier he won the victoria across...
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yes, we stood up and told the truth about who then robert smith is a war criminal, a bully and a lawyer strategy, or should be proud of laurie's been in the s i s i have the majority in the s i s and i stood up to what was ross and i have been vindicated. a much kenny is a professor at the australian national university. he joins us from camera. thank you very much for being on this new so that just given the number of things that uh time to live throughout this trial, i mean, where does this leave the army right now? a well, it's a, it's a, it's a black eye. so the, i mean, i guess you would say a on a, on the die of this decision because it's most celebrated. so just trying to is my home on board has been found to has but by a federal court, 9 is to have told laws that is on the balance of possibilities. it's a different test. it was a civil case. it's important to note that it wasn't the criminal kind of criminal case could well followed because the federal court has found that all of the balance of, of abilities is tried, is most prominent and celebrated and, and be made on uh well he wrote committed murder and other atroc
yes, we stood up and told the truth about who then robert smith is a war criminal, a bully and a lawyer strategy, or should be proud of laurie's been in the s i s i have the majority in the s i s and i stood up to what was ross and i have been vindicated. a much kenny is a professor at the australian national university. he joins us from camera. thank you very much for being on this new so that just given the number of things that uh time to live throughout this trial, i mean, where does this...