[lauter] >> i don't really think we should or do dial up risk close to the continuum. i'm closer to the view of normal accidents that's referenced in the paper, and i think the implication of the emergent effects and other things is that we can't really calculate this terrly well. i don't think we can or should dramatically dial down risk or dial it up. i think what we ought to do is do a better job of recognizing and preparing for it so that we can take certain steps that will press the likelihoods that we see or give us a better ability to respond even in concert with our opponents to inadvertent consequences. i can say more of what i think. do you want to have in on that, jeff? or valerie? >> i think valerie has a side on that. i'm interesting. >> valerie you don't have to speak if you agree with me. [laughter] >> when i read this, one of the first thoughts that came to mind was actually i remembered the quote in the movie jurassic park that you're -- i can't remember it exactly but your technologists were so business -- were so busy worrying about what they couldit

neil: all right charlie: [lauter] neil: all right in the meantime, these trade back and forth, righter don't take effect we're feeling a pinch connell mcshane out in iowa the latest on all of that. hey, connell? connell: hey neil it was interesting i was listening to you and charlie talk and the president had a tweet after one of their conversations saying the chinese are charging a 16% tax on soybeans coming in from the united states and i want to bring in ron heck in also the president of the advisory committee and the president point about hearing us speak is that things aren't as great as they are. tell us what you're dealing with right now. >> absolutely there's a price differential. soybeans are much more expensive in china than they are in the united states and part of it is the taxes that they charge when we bring soybeans in and some of it's just unexplained. connell: it's tough to tell. what if they add another 25% to that though how worried are you about the future?>> well that g concern for the up coming harvest. far there heen any harm donald in fact the chinese removed