. >> i want to back up to something that lavinia was saying when i asked about what was the trigger nowntioned honduras being the murder capital of the world, crime, violence, horrendous conditions. that is nothing new, it's been going for a very long time. >> exactly. >> and there is and there was speculation this is more, he straighted than americans are being led to believe. it's being done for political gain or maneuvering. do you think there is any truth to that? >> absolute. it's not really violence that is the trigger. i have friends from honduras that have told me it's a very violent nation, this is nothing new. you have to ask what changed that folks are now crossing the borders in huge numbers. it's the deferred action. the talk of amnesty. i have spoeg tone friends of my who are border agent who work on the border and i have asked chem what do they folks tell you as the reason they are come over. all site the amnesty. they are being told in their home country. go america, they are not going to deport you, especially children they are not deporting them. it goes back to the de