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than a week after donald trump spoke russia's delegation will be led by its foreign minister, sergei lavrov "restoring the entire complex of and the format of these talks. meeting crown prince mohammed bin salman earlier here to a broader conversation. delegation, very different. and europe needed to immediately boost its own defences. his comments were supported by the danish prime minister, the whole continent. our correspondent rajini vaidynathan is in paris well, this meeting in paris was hastily arranged but europe does not have a seat at the table. british prime minister, polish prime minister and also mark rutte from nato, for example, security is at a turning point. "yes, it's about ukraine," she said, we didn't hearfrom mr macron. european leaders to carry on the conversation. things are going next. now on tuesday, of course, will be that key meeting national to urity college at national to bbc college at national to bbc news. e at national to bbc news. sot national to bbc news. so injust a few as we been a few hours, as we have been hearing, of state hearing,—secretary of state ru

secretary of state marco rubio and his russian counterpart sergei lavrov.ides must make concessions. all this come amid a failurey of diplomacy, sparked by a change in approach from the new president trump. but this is the kicker. neither ukraine nor europe had a seat at the table today so while he was shut out of the talks in riyadh. ukraine's president, zelensky was in angara meeting his kurdish counterpart. they criticized the talks in saw rain as talks about ukraine without ukraine and he said negotiations should not take place behind our backs. we hear from our correspondents in riyadh, moscow and in kyiv but let's start with an overview from our diplomatic correspondent. >> a moment of history, americans on the left, russians on the right. senior officials face to face for the first time in years. both sides silent and grim faced for the media but russia back at the top table without making a single concession and clearly glad to come in from the cold. america's top diplomat marco rube yo said they agreed to improve dim lomatic relations and appoint n

marco rubio leading those talks with sergey of russia. with sergey lavrov of russia.. good morning. of course, james. of course, president zelensky not there, not zelensky is not there, not at this stage involved at this stage of talks, which is said to be about peace. he's in a meeting turkey, through the in turkey, talks through the ahead. ~ . day ahead. well, president is this w: eastern trip wehere eastern trip where he is middteresstem trip where he is meet middteresstern trip where he is meet with president going to meet with president of turkey, he is e eteopics such e topics such as eiseussing tepiessushss missy’s”; aid, eiseussing tepiessuehss~r ; ~ ; aid, future humanitarian aid, future security, prisoners of war exchange, it has been a exchange, but it has been a where he has taken aim e-e botheeurope and america. the �*four, in eeefoeuereeihehiesee ee e �*four, in his words, e wanting a quick win with he is accused ”w" zesof— twing of trying to please washington of trying to please moscow, to try get its goal moscow, to try and get its goal of a piece over

we reporter olga ivshina. have had confirmation, that is we have had confirmation, that is sergei lavrov and a of é- ' if is ”5 ff" ww "7 but we have to have the right number of people with the right equipment and the right training, and start to fund that now. i was speaking to sources in the ministry of defence last night, they gave no indication that going beyond that 2.5% figure was an immediate possibility. they said the priority was on setting a date that the uk would hit that target. so no immediate signs that that could happen anytime soon. i think that will be a question that sir keir starmer will face when he makes his trip to washington to visit donald trump for the first time next week. harry farley at westminster, thank you. we can go to kyiv and our ukraine correspondent until there is a clear plan, a clear path to how a peace agreement could be agreed and implemented. so it's not clear what will come out of these initial talks. the american side is saying this is just about seeing how serious moscow is and opening a channel of communication. but the tone over the past week

russia's current foreign minister, sergey lavrov, was's deputy at the time. for joining us on bbc news today. i want to begin by asking you if you think that america understands what russia's strategic objectives are at this time, not just towards ukraine. you think america understands what those objectives are? in your view, what is vladimir pugin want to do at this point --what does vladimir putin want to do at this point? >> i think the idea that putin wants peace, that is completely wrong, or that putin wants to stop even war. putin benefits from the war because it allows him to strengthen his dictatorship and intimidation in russia itself and deserves -- serves's long-term interest in humiliating, in discriminating, and undermining as much as possible the nato countries, european countries, in america. so it's clear, absolutely clear that zelenskyy is great war president, and by the ukrainian constitution, he just cannot have elections right now. and he won election. but mr. trump is elected president fairly and clearly, elected president of the united s

but you have minister lavrov saying it is completely unacceptable to russia to have eu troops under aany other flag in ukraine. sir bill: first of all, it is kind of crazy for donald trump to say he wants the european union to put soldiers on the ground, but he's not allowing the european union to participate in the negotiations. so i think there is a disconnect there. and furthermore, why would the ukrainians accept any type of situation in which they are effectively being asked to surrender, surrender territory, surrender sovereignty, without any type of meaningful security guarantees? how are they going to have those guarantees if there is soldiers from other countries there to help them enforce those guarantees? caitriona: sir bill browder, thank you so much for joining us here on bbc news with those insights. sir bill: thank you. caitriona: the israeli military has withdrawn from tents and villages in southern lebanon. the united nations says that is a violation of the terms of the cease-fire agreement that ended the 13 month conflict with hezbollah. november truce said that isra

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, was the fact that this was not the sergei lavrov that we had come to know over the course of many years. this was a russian foreign minister who was uncharacteristically looking at his notes, reading from his notes the whole time appeared very nervous. and ultimately, i think we concluded that he either didn't know what was about to happen. he, too, was in the dark, kept in the dark by president putin, or he was deeply uncomfortable with what was going to happen. and that was really showcased in his body language. and so i say that knowing that they're going to meet the russian foreign minister tomorrow, there is one person who started this war, it was president putin. there is one person who can end this war. it is president putin meeting with other officials may help eventually to get there. it may help to scope out what the russians are going to demand where they are. but ultimately, there aren't going to be concrete results from a meeting with anyone but vladimir putin. >> all right. so let's talk about the fact that ukraine is not at the table for this very beginning of negotiation

the us secretary of state spoke to his russian counterpart sergei lavrov on saturday re—affirming presidentrump's commitment to finding an end to the conflict. the trump administration is suggesting the upcoming talks could involve some russian territorial concessions, but it also seemed to rule out ukrainejoining nato. it also looks like europe may no longer be invited to the table, according to the us special envoy for ukraine and russia. speaking at the munich security conference on saturday, keith kellogg said previous peace efforts had failed because too many parties were involved — suggesting that only the us, russia and ukraine should be part of negotiations. take a listen. my definition of "at the table," when you're actually sitting down there. you don't — to me, it doesn't mean their interests are not taken part of, they are not considered, they are not used, they are not developed. that means at the table — you have an ability to have input. but when you have those three — well, really, two — engaged partners with — you have russia and you have ukraine fighting right now — and pr

number one, vladimir putin and sergey lavrov are war criminals. they are liars. and they are the ones that started this war. and they are never to be trusted. like we've known putin for a long time. he's been on the scene for decades. we know that he lies. we know that he's aggressive. we know that he can never be trusted. and he breaks promises over and over and over again. so donald trump thinks that he can placate them, that he can try to make some deal that actually isn't backed by security guarantees and power. he is lying to himself. >> based on the statements that we've heard from lavrov, from putin, from president trump. if i just played those two in a vacuum, whose side would you say that president trump is on? >> well, i mean, clearly, you have to think that donald trump is moving towards the russians, right? there's a long history, actually, of donald trump saying things to to appease vladimir putin, echoing russian propaganda. he is surrounded by people in his administration that echo russian propaganda. you have tucker carlson, whose people are in ev

. >> you did speak in a phone call with russia's top diplomat, sergey lavrov.ussian side claimed that you discussed restoring trade, which seemed to be a nod to easing restrictions on diplomats and other gestures like a high-level leaders meeting. are you actually considering -- is the trump administration considering lifting sanctions on russia? >> well, the phone call was to establish communications that are consistent with the call the president made last week with vladamir putin, because if there is going to be the possibility of progress here towards peace, we are going to need to talk to the russians. that is going to have to happen, and we have to do it across our channels. we didn't go into any details. what we discussed is basically the ability to begin communicating. i've never spoken to mr. lavrov in my life, so it was an opportunity to open that channel of communication. which, again, if there's the potential of peace, that's a channel that has to exist. i also raised the issue of our embassy in moscow, which operates under very difficult conditions

sergey lavrov. ukraine was not in the meeting. late today, president trump saying of ukraine, you should have never started it, you could have made a deal. even though the world witnessed russia invade ukraine. here's our chief foreign correspondent ian pannell from inside ukraine tonight. >> reporter: tonight, in a radical break with the past, the u.s. and russia agreeing to work together. for the first time, in almost three years. the two sides discussing how to end russia's war in ukraine, but doing so without any ukrainian officials present. >> we couldn't have imagined a better result after this session. >> today is the first step of a long and difficult journey, but an important one. >> reporter: president trump just moments ago claiming he has the power to end this war, and falsely blaming ukraine for russia's invasion. >> and i think i have the power to end this war. and i think it's going very well. but today, i heard, oh, well, we weren't invited. well, you've been there for three years. you should have ended it three ye

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but, you know, sergei lavrov, you've sat at tables just like this one with the russians. so what do you hope these american officials kept in mind? and how serious do you think that putin is, is actually considering this peace deal, potential peace deal. >> so i have negotiated with sergey lavrov and yuri ushakov sitting right next to him for many years. i would say two things. one, they're not going to give anything in the beginning, and they're going to stake out maximalist positions. and the american strategy should therefore not be to respond to those. number two, to the best of my knowledge, i've seen absolutely no evidence that putin is prepared to provide any concessions, and instead he just waits for us to keep adding concessions. right. so no membership to nato for ukraine. give territory. there are now reports saying that we're going to lift sanctions. we are negotiating with ourselves while they just sit on the other side and wait for us to give more. and so i think they have to change their thinking about this, and they have to begin to say what russia needs t

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we were at a press conference earlier today with the russian foreign minister, sergey lavrov. and of course, we have heard from several officials from the trump administration that they believe that as these talks go on, to try and find some sort of ceasefire or peace agreement and to end the conflict between russia and ukraine that the trump administration believes that both sides will have to make painful compromises. so i asked sergey lavrov what compromises russia is willing to make, especially as far as the territory that it currently holds in ukraine. here's what he has to say. which territorial concessions and in general, which compromises is russia willing to make to achieve such a peace agreement? >> you want us to have a mere thought of the negotiations on the settlement, regarding the fact that some territories still need to be ceded, to cede how? with people with russians or without people with only rare earth metals? if we are still talking about serious diplomacy, it's better to first understand the history of the issue and see why the russian language is banned

>> the alternative is to disregard what lavrov says. the russians don't get a vote and don't get a vote in whether or not the west europeans or the americans or nato provides a security guarantee to the ukrainians. they don't get a vote. they do get a vote on the cease fire, there's no doubt about that. but they don't get a vote on the security guarantee. they don't get a vote on whether ukraine joins nato. by the way, that's not an issue for these conversations. that's a separate conversation between the europeans and the ukrainians, with support from the from the americans. that's a that's a separate conversation. the russians don't are not part of that conversation. >> ambassador william taylor, appreciate you coming on and sharing your perspective. >> thank you boris. >> still to come, despite being front and center of doge, the white house says that elon musk is not the administrator nor an employee of that department. we'll speak to the white house about it next. >> this part changed my life. >> superman is now the winner of the b

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marco rubio and sergei lavrov promised to have high level teams. this is that is acceptable to all sides. the sanction also stay in place until a peace deal is reached. >> we're going to appoint a high level team to walk through the end of the conflict in ukraine in a way that is enduring and acceptable to all of the parties engaged. the third point is to begin the work at a high level as well. to begin to discuss and think about and examine the geo-political and economic cooperation that could result from an end to the conflict in ukraine. tom: joining us for more is bloomberg's greg sullivan. greg, did the talks make any progress? what was the outcome of this meeting between rubio and sergei lavrov? >> well, they were short on details at the end of the meeting but russian leaders quick to hail the talks as a success. the u.s. also seemed to signal that progress was made. of course we heard from president trump he still expects to meet putin possibly as soon as before the end of the month. what we're likely to see next would be progress toward any

you will they include the secretary of state, marco rubio, meeting his russian counterpart, sergei lavrov peskov, describing a future meeting between donald trump and vladimir putin as being special, significant, so you can see both sides warming up. but of course, i'm leaving out a third side here, ukraine, where president zelensky last night said that he wasn't aware of this meeting and therefore wouldn't be going. he is in the region for a visit, but at the moment we don't know, you know, on what level each side is going to be going to be represented and what is going to be discussed. so we wait to see what concrete details will come out, but it makes it no less consequential for ukraine, for europe and the broader region. and what about europe's role here? i mean, we heard from president zelensky saying that ukraine obviously had to be at the table for any negotiations, but also insisting that europe did. european leaders planning on holding a separate meeting in the coming days, possibly as early as tomorrow. but but what can they do to insert themselves into the negotiations? i mean

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ministers shortly after his meeting with lavrov in saudi arabia.'re right, it was a big deal that the ukrainians felt so left out. president zelensky was planning to go to saudi arabia and then told basically that he wasn't welcome and didn't end up making the trip. meanwhile, even as rubio is trying to reassure people, yes, of course we're going to do this in concert with our allies. you hear trump say yesterday, no, they don't deserve a seat at the table, meaning the ukrainians, because they started the war and they didn't make a deal over the last three years. what deal should they have made over the last three years? a deal that would surrender their territory. and that's what he wants them to do. so he's putting a lot of pressure on zelensky. he's making clear that whatever deal he makes with putin is what he thinks it should be, not necessarily what zelensky thinks it will be. and it's left the europeans on the sidelines trying to figure out. what their play is. >> yeah. peter, i also want to ask you about your article today in the times you

what lavrov has just said in the chamber this afternoon, i don't see an appetite to really get to thateace, and that peace could be achieved by leaving ukraine tomorrow. just going. hamas has admitted a mistake might have been made in the handing over of what was supposed to be israel says but rather that of a gazan woman. israel's prime minister, benjamin netanyahu, says hamas will pay the price for what he called an "evil" violation of the ceasefire agreement. but has said there is a possibility of an error, with others in the rubble after an air strike. on thursday, hamas was due to return the remains been taking place. here's some of what mr netanyahu had to say. translation: we will act with determination to bring shiri - this cruel and evil violation of the agreement. there was great sorrow yesterday, and today a statement describing it as horrific. this latest development that we're hearing about, i don't think this very first line that we've heard from hamas, i don't think that's going to do anything to douse that anger. and, i mean, this is a hamas official. for the whole of h

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tone about europe from his administration has also been echoed by russia's foreign minister, sergey lavrov. if the europeans are going to weasel out ideas about freezing the conflict, he said, why should we invite them at all? secretary of state marco rubio has already arrived in saudi arabia, where the first round of talks will be held with the russian delegation starting on tuesday. is america, now, an unreliable ally? >> i think the possibility of that is out there, floating, in the ether. it will be a terrible thing if it happened because the main effect of it, of course, would be to reduce the deterrent effect of nato, which has kept peace in europe, indeed in the world, for a very long time. >> reporter: most european nations agree, they need to raise their defense spending if they have hope of deterring this newly emboldened russia. >>> in the middle east, israel says hamas is expected to release the bodies of four hostages on thursday, followed by three living hostages saturday. this comes as israelis gathered in tel aviv last night to mark 500 days since the october 7th attack. on

and sitting across the table from them, sergey lavrov, the russian foreign minister, and yuri ushakover to president putin. now, what was notablejust as much for who was there was, of course, who was not. the ukrainians have not been invited. that was a question that i shouted to mr rubio while we were still in the room. is the us sidelining ukraine, mr secretary? what concessions will there be asked of russia, mr secretary? now he didn't answer those. it was clear at that point i think the meeting was going to last some hours and take up the best part of the day before both sides were going to give their own accounts, their own narratives of the way the meeting had gone. tom bateman in riyadh there. in a moment we'll speak to our our russia editor steve rosenberg, but first let's go to ukraine correspondentjames waterhouse in kyiv. james, in moscow, president vioscow, bleaseé president vioscn be bleaseé president vioscn be and bleaseé of this russia.?-.-, ,. * saudi yet men victory have glee; eff—222777 have gai sta -e. fizz: :——7——— have gai sta-e. e to é?:——f—r— talks the tali is:he

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couple of minutes ago about this phone call that took place between russian foreign minister sergey lavrov and secretary of state rubio. we do now also have readouts from both the state department and also the russian foreign ministry as well. the u.s. state department readout is pretty short. it just confirms that this call took place, that it was a follow up to that call between vladimir putin and and president trump that happened a couple of days ago, and that the two discussed ways to end the war in ukraine. and then also, as the u.s. puts it, further bilateral issues to be resolved. now, from the russian side, the readout is very much different from the russian side. this sounds like the two spoke not only about a possible resolution to the war in ukraine, the conflict in ukraine, but also essentially a reset in relations between the u.s. and russia. i want to read to you some of what the russian foreign ministry put in here. they say the head of the foreign ministry's agreed to maintain a communication channel to address the accumulated issues in russian american relations, with the

i have to say that the messaging coming from the russians, from sergei lavrov and his was very differentey are framing this as effectively a start remember the context of this, coming after and all of this coming with those waves of concern in europe about being left on the sidelines. we are seeing european countries scrambling to try at the kinds of things that american officials have been so everyone here knows how high the stakes are, ukrainians are not invited. president zelensky saying that he didn't know about these the french president, emmanuel macron, says he's had stressed the need to take responsibility for their own continent's security, as the us attempts to talk the polish prime minister, donald tusk, said they had entered a new stage in transatlantic relations, and europe needed to immediately boost its defences. his comments were supported by the danish prime minister, well, this meeting in paris was hastily arranged as a response to some of the messaging that we've been hearing from the us government. and of course, it's a response to the fact their talks about how to en

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he asked why his secretary of state marco rubio was meeting with his russian counterpart, sergey lavrovdi arabia, without ukrainians at the table even as they discussed ending russia's invasion of ukraine. and he said well, ukraine never should have started this war in the first place which is of course patently false. ukraine was invaded by russia. it was one of several eye-opening untrue things he said. at one point, he argued that the ukrainian president volodymyr zelenskyy wasn't really in a position to be making demands because his approval rating is at 4%. that's not true. his approval rating is very similar to president trump's in this country. it's at about 50%. these kinds of comments add to concerns that have been expressed by the ukrainians and by u.s. allies in europe who say that president trump appears to be putting his thumb on the scale for russia before these talks about ending the war even officially get underway. >> john: we'll see if his officials repeat those comments about blaming zelenskyy. let me ask about doge, this judge's ruling. it's allowed to have access to

we saw almost a daily record number of drones fired at ukraine today, and certainly lavrov didn't signal anything in his briefing that suggests any concessions are coming. pamela. >> that's an important point. clare sebastian nick paton walsh, thank you. i want to continue this conversation with retired army lieutenant colonel alexander vindman. he was director for european affairs at the national security council. he was also a whistleblower on the trump call with zelenskyy back in 2019. colonel, thank you so much for joining us. so, um, first of all, what do you think about this and the fact that zelenskyy has postponed his trip to saudi arabia? how significant do you think that that is? >> i'm not sure if. >> it's really all that significant. i think part of the issue here is that this meeting in saudi arabia was billed as, um, ukraine peace talks. it wasn't it was more of a standard affair reset. uh, in u.s. russia relations. it was an effort to normalize. and this is exactly the consequence of trump's call with putin, where they said that they need a they need to kind of start talki

. >> lavrov. >> would be attending. >> and coincidentally. >> president zelensky, ukraine's president in the middle east at the moment. >> on a previously. scheduled trip. he is not, however, set to. take part in the saudi arabia talks. it's going to be. senior trump administration officials, a russian delegation led by lavrov and then later. >> in the week. >> the trump administration. is expected to meet. >> with ukrainian. >> officials here. >> in. >> ukraine after these sets of negotiations that are now being held separately after these take. >> place. >> then the. >> trump administration. >> is planning to have a round of. >> joint negotiations. >> however, that no date has been set. >> as far as i know. for those joint conversations. >> it is. >> happening quickly. i spoke to a senior ukrainian official last night. they were. >> trying to. >> make sense of it all. they feel that president trump is. >> using his presidential power. >> to its fullest. he's using. >> his very. >> blunt style. the official confirmed to me that the trump. administration wanted ukrainian president zel

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is keen to determine the kremlin's intent, while russian foreign minister sergey lavrov says the meeting aims to end what he called an abnormal period between two, quote, great powers. but key players are not even at the table, including nato and ukraine's leader. instead, president volodymyr zelenskyy meets with the turkish president in the coming hours. cnn's matthew chance spoke with one of the russian diplomats in riyadh earlier, who says he already met with members of trump's team ahead of these talks. >> what has that team promised you here? have you have they given you an indication about what they're going to give you? >> no, i. >> think it's the promise is let's. >> have dialog. let's figure. >> out the best solution for our countries, for other countries, for the global community. >> let's go now to cnn's fred pleitgen, live in moscow. fred, u.s. and russian delegations have now been in discussions for more than 2.5 hours. what do you believe that russia is willing to concede in those talks? >> you're absolutely right, kayla. it's 2.5 hours. they took a short break and apparent

. >> and and fred, you heard directly from russian foreign minister sergey lavrov today. yeah, i certainly did. and i think one of the things that we also have to point out, jake, is that the. >> russians really. >> do. >> feel that they have a. >> lot of momentum now going. on after this phone call between president trump and the russian president, vladimir putin. >> in fact, the kremlin today said. >> they were. really impressed. by president trump's position on all of this. their near-term goal, by the way, is to get a summit going in a third country. between putin and president trump. the russians are saying that is already in the works. and so i asked the foreign minister today, sergey lavrov. >> whether he. >> believes that relations between the u.s. and russia will get on track very quickly. he then launched into a tirade against the biden administration, but also against america's european allies. here's what he said. >> yesterday after the. >> phone call between. >> president trump. >> and and russian. president vladimir putin. >> are you more. >> hopeful now tha

so what we're going to see tomorrow is sergey lavrov, the foreign minister of russia, uh, alongside the former, uh, u.s. ambassador, a russian ambassador to the u.s. and then on the american side of the table, you've got secretary rubio of the national security advisor, mike waltz and steve witkoff, who's been doing a lot more work with the russian side. now, the u.s. is under no illusions that they're going to come to any kind of agreement anytime soon. this is the start of a process, they say, but this is the start of a process that, as you noted, is not including the ukrainians. and we did hear some frustration from ukrainian president zelenskyy earlier today. take a listen. >> ibrahim aqil. >> ukraine will not participate. ukraine knew nothing about them. ukraine perceives any negotiations about ukraine without ukraine as those with no results. we cannot recognize anything or any agreements about us without. >> us. >> so that does. brianna, that does speak to a lot of the concerns among the ukrainians and the europeans that the u.s. is essentially pushing ahead. just speaking with r

russia's foreign minister, sergei lavrov, who, as you know, jose, is a man who's been in the role forankly. >> you can describe him as deeply cynical. he today described. >> this as. >> a very useful conversation and said, quote, i have reason to believe that the americans better understand our position. now, that suggests that russians are pretty pleased with what happened today. secretary of state. marco rubio saying breaking it down, saying that the agreement has been for high level delegations to talk about peace in ukraine, to reinstall diplomatic relations and to talk. and this is interesting too, to talk, jose, about potential cooperation between america and russia, on geopolitics and on economics. now, remember that sergey lavrov. >> and a number of the other russian. >> officials in these talks today are themselves sanctioned by the us, by europe, in fact, all of them are internationally sanctioned. >> in one. >> way or another. so for this meeting to finish with this suggestion, in the future, there could be economic cooperation. that is a tectonic shift in relations between

table the last time the secretary of state, secretary blinken at the time, met with foreign minister lavrov. the foreign minister was clearly in the dark about his own president's plans when it came to russian aggression in the aftermath of russia's invasion, which was probably imminent all along. despite our best efforts. there were various attempts to find a way to end this war in a just and durable way. the fact of the matter is that, um, in order to do so, ukraine has to be put in a position of strength. that is to say that ukraine has to be provided with security assistance, economic assistance, humanitarian assistance there at the same time have to be costs and consequences on russia. and then, boris, i think the most important agreement, the most important element of all of this is the fact that there has to be unity of purpose across the atlantic, across the pacific, among all of our allies and partners. for russia to actually feel the pressure to come to the negotiating table. i heard your correspondent say that some of the intelligence community assessed russia is not feeling that

moments ago, alex, that secretary of state marco rubio spoke with russian foreign minister sergey lavrov today, also discussing the possibility for some sort of negotiations. the very u.s. officials are saying, look, this is the very beginning of this negotiation process here. but the reality is, as president trump forecasted earlier this week, he is intent on getting some sort of a process here that could hopefully lead to some sort of a peace agreement between russia and ukraine. alex. >> and interesting that you mentioned marco rubio. i'm looking at a schedule for planning, and that wasn't on it, that he would be speaking with sergey lavrov. but i will say we were showing some video. he had just arrived after traveling from munich to jerusalem, then jerusalem to tel aviv. that's what you all were seeing. it was dark. you may not have been able to tell, but anyway, courtney kube, you're the best. we'll see you again soon. thank you so much. not that i recall why that answer from fbi nominee kash patel has senator adam schiff outraged and demanding answers? want to get the most out of o

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