lawler: ok. so, the difference between the senate version and this version is that this version does not include ukraine funding. so are you telling me that you would shut down the government if there's not ukraine funding? ms. delauro: i just say to you that -- maybe you have a chance -- have had the chance to read 71 pages. this bill doesn't extend the authority to help ukrainian refugees -- mr. lawler: reclaiming my time. ms. delauro: of course you're reclaiming your time. mr. lawler: reclaiming my time. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from new york has the floor. mr. lawler: thank you. today on the last day before a potential government shutdown, speaker mccarthy will be putting a 45-day clean c.r. with disaster relief on the floor. i will vote in support of this legislation so that we can keep the united states government funded and open while we finish our appropriations bills. anyone, anyone, democrats or republicans, who vote against a clean c.r. with disaster relief is voting to s

congressman mike lawler joins us now.h us. >> thanks for having me. >> what are your immediate concerns and -- it's good to have you to come today -- do you see any give at all from the holdouts? any ability or willingness to let the speaker negotiate with democrats and get this thing over the finish line? >> we'll find out shortly, andrea, as there's a cr on the floor that's being debated right now. we'll be voting at about 1:30, and we will see what people like matt gaetz intend to do. as far as i'm concerned, it's been very clear that his whole purpose is to shut the government down, to undermine the republican conference and remove the speaker from office. it's shameful, and it should be condemned by everyone. the shutdown does not need to happen. we are negotiating through the appropriations process. we're dealing with passing single subject spending bills. my colleagues and i in the republican majority fully support reining in spending. we agree with that, and the american people agreed with that when they elected u

>> i certainly appreciate congressman lawler's leadership. he is right we need to keep the government funded at all costs. actually the way i think this thing is going to unfold is that the house can't really pass anything. they tried to pass a continuing resolution today. it failed. now what is going to happen is the senate is going to tee up their bill which will fund ukraine which will fund disaster assistance and the government and extend the faa and a few other cats and dogs. and then send it to the house. i suspect that bill will pass with over 70 votes in the senate and that same bill would enjoy a very strong, bipartisan majority in the house of representatives. this could end quickly if the speaker were to allow such a bill to hit the floor. that is the way out of this thing. really quite simple. the problem solver's caucus also has a very thoughtful, responsible bill, too, that could be brought up. these bills will get strong, bipartisan support. i would guess around 300 votes. the republicans in the house are trying to pass this on

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. >> joining us is republican congressman mike lawler of new york. thanks for coming on congressman. tonight mccarthy sending a message to the senate saying they should drop ukraine aid from their bill. if they do, there could potentially be a deal. what do you think? is that even realistic? >> i think the most pressing thing right now is to ensure that the american government is funded and that the american people are not impacted by any potential shutdown. so it's critically important that we pass a continuing resolution that can get 218 votes in the house and get obviously 51 votes in the senate. so, you know, we are doing everything we can. i'm still here working tonight and through the weekend to avoid a shutdown. and i think putting a c.r. on the floor in the house tomorrow is important. >> and so you would support one without any funding for ukraine? >> look, as somebody who has been a supporter of ukraine funding and will continue to be, the most pressing issue right now is keeping the united states government funded and open. and so whatever

take a listen to what republican congressman mike lawler told reporters after that effort failed. >>here's only one person to blame for any potential government shutdown and that's matt gaetz. he's not a conservative republican. he's a charlton. is he right? is he the one to blame? >> this is tough language. matt gaetz is said to be interested in running for governor of florida. so he's positioning himself in a particular direction. mike lawler on the other hand is one of the 18 republicans elected in districts that joe biden also won. these are candidates, mike lawler one of them, who want to be seen as moderate that they can't afford to go down the path of closing down the government or trying to impeach biden and so forth because they'll get voted out of office. the political needs and desires of about 20 republicans who are on gaetz's side and 18 including lawler are really just at odds. that's the tug of war that led us to this shutdown. >> congressman matt gaetz for his part said he wants single subjects, spending bills passed and against any stopgap measure otherwise he'll bri

lawler: ok. so, the difference between the senate version and this version is that this version does not include ukraine funding. so are you telling me that you would shut down the government if there's not ukraine funding? ms. delauro: i just say to you that -- maybe you have a chance -- have had the chance to read 71 pages. this bill doesn't extend the authority to help ukrainian refugees -- mr. lawler: reclaiming my time. ms. delauro: of course you're reclaiming your time. mr. lawler: reclaiming my time. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from new york has the floor. mr. lawler: thank you. today on the last day before a potential government shutdown, speaker mccarthy will be putting a 45-day clean c.r. with disaster relief on the floor. i will vote in support of this legislation so that we can keep the united states government funded and open while we finish our appropriations bills. anyone, anyone, democrats or republicans, who vote against a clean c.r. with disaster relief is voting to s

that's easy for mike lawler to do.l figure in the figure in the republican party. the other republicans including kevin mccarthy are learning the same lesson that the rest of us learned, that is that it is impossible to negotiate with trump, because their demands are impossible to give into. if you look at what trump said about the shutdown, and you ask what he wants, he wants his criminal cases close, he wants to in the american rule of law. he wants to install himself as the authoritarian leader in this country. when he gets the nomination of the republican party, mike lawler is probably going to endorse him. those are donald trump's roman demands. and by extension the demands of many have his margaret obstructionists in congress. mccarthy knows he can't give in, but he is such a weak leader it's not clear he has an alternative. this is the white house communications director and he joins me now. ben, what is the white house's current understanding of what happens now? it's my job to follow this, and i will admit tha

new york congressman mike lawler is one of them.represents parts of the hudson valley, where he grew up and where he worked in government and politics for years before flipping a seat for republicans and entering congress this year. thank you for joining us. this is a baffling situation for many americans. i wonder, how do you think house republicans -- i know you can be blunt about this -- look to americans right now? rep. lawler: some of my colleagues have created a situation that has undermined our ability to govern. and people are frustrated including many of my colleagues and myself. but we are working through it. as responsible people do. and try to get us to a place where we can pass a continuing resolution to keep the government funded and open while we negotiate through the appropriations process. mike rawlings and i have not disagreed about the need to cut spending. this administration increased spending by $5 trillion in two years in spending, totally unsustainable. we have to raining spending. we all agree on -- rein in

lawler. mr. lawler: thank you, mr. chairman. chairman powell, you, the fed's vice chairman for supervision and many others, have indicated that the banking system is well capitalized. bank capitalization remains robust remained robust during the covid shock and related shutdown of economic activity and severe fed stress testing. the vice chair of supervision wants to increase capital on financial institutions. this will have substantial economic effects that will begin immediately while you're still focused on bringing inflation back to the fed's 2% target. excessive high capital requirements will constrain costing jobs, incomes, opportunities, and living standards. as my colleague, mr. garbarino, pointed out a 1% increase in capital requirements could potentially reduce g.d.p. by up to 16 basis points based on the basel committee literature. on january 21, 2021, 30year fixed rate mortgages had an interest rate of 2.77%. now for the same loans, individuals are looking at a 6.69% interest rate for a 30year fixed rate mortgage. fo

so on the impeachment -- here is mike lawler, who is in that 18 on the impeachment.ew york, won a district where biden won. here is him talking back on august 9th about impeachment. take a listen. >> with respect to impeachment, we are not there yet. it is not about focusing on the impeachment. it is a question of do the facts and evidence warn any further action. >> and now here is an anti-lawler digital ad launched by a democrat aligned group, the kind of thing it will come after these members if we go further down the road. take a look. >> after seven weeks at home, representative mike lawler is returning to washington. america faces political priorities, health care, the economy, the cost of living, but maga republican leaders like kevin mccarthy and marjorie taylor greene want to focus on the bogus impeachment of president biden. >> that seems like a tough one for them. >> i think it is for all of the 18 republicans that are in districts that biden won. because most americans are not convinced at this point that joe biden -- they are convinced that hunter biden

. >> and you know, you've got th so-called moderates, again people from -- mike lawler, he's tellinguse saying that if the house gop doesn't pass a short-ter spending bill he will sign a discharge petition, which is a sort of procedural mechanism you can use, join forces wit dems to try to pass one. it does seem like they are, guess there's a way out of this, jen, in which there is som sort of bipartisan compromise? that just doesn't -- it seems like trump is going t whip against them. and he is the guy giving the orders he told him to impeach biden and they're probably going t do it. i don't know how much they'r going to ignore him if he just decides to hammer them on it >> no, i mean, he is the puppeteer. whether he admits it or not. he is pulling all the strings. he's telling them th impeachment process, he' denying it, but then he's done it with people to give the direction. he's giving them budget deals. he's puppeteer on the whol orchestrating the whole thin here so, yes he will whip against them the problem for kevin mccarthy and david reference, this is that he can't make a d

what mike lawler and others are doing is smart politics for them. in that they are going to be able to differentiate themselves at home and run ads saying i'm not afraid to step up to the leaders of my party. i'm an independent. i represent the people of my district. that's a dream and to run on if you are in a vulnerable race. so, yes, something to watch. >> all rights, jen psaki and david jolly. thank you both. don't forget, you can catch inside with jen psaki, monday nights in this hour, starting next monday at eight pm. i'm very excited for that. and don't worry, i'm not going anywhere. tuesday to friday, i'll be here. okay, the ex president control he wants to shut down the government, to stop federal investigations. there is even less he can do about the george river case. today we got a look at the defense witness list in the first criminal trial for the attempt to steal the 2020 election. lawyers for one of the indicted racketeers kenneth chesebro -- filed this list of defendants that may use and benefits they may call in his rapidly approac

it's very costly, as congressman lawler said and swalwell. but look, john, this is not a hard problem to solve. lawler and swalwell are right. there will be a bipartisan solution. the way this will end in all likelihood is the senate will pass a bill with over 70 votes that will fund the government, provide for some disaster assistance, and also provide for some ukraine funding. and then they'll send it over to the u.s. house. and that's when the speaker has to make a decision. if he puts that bill on the floor, it will pass with a strong bipartisan majority. of course, that would then the hard-liners who are torturing him right now will then move to vacate. but that's the answer. and it's not hard to do this. right now, the house cannot pass any appropriations bills. they couldn't pass a defense spending bill. couldn't even bring it up. three times it failed over the last few days. so this is complete and utter dysfunction. bottom line, we don't have to be in this predicament. this is a circular firing squad of their own making, and they can

congressman lawler needs democratic votes to win reelection.an work with as long as you don't sound when you talk to him, the way you just sounded talking to me? >> i talk to congressman lawler all the time. he's right next door to me. he hasn't shown the ability to lead. we need leadership, and he has not led on any of the issues i mentioned. >> democratic congressman, jamal bowman, we'll have you back. thank you so much for coming on today. i appreciate. our coverage continues right now with wolf blitzer in "the situation room." >>> happening now, tensions on capitol hill after house republicans day-long grilling of the u.s. attorney general merrick garland. garland defending

alix will be back with another interview with doug lawler, ceo of continental.and in the summer of strikes? the latest on the united auto workers ahead of president biden's plans to join the picket tomorrow. this is bloomberg. ♪ kailey: this is bloomberg markets. you are looking at the principal room. coming up, one on one with presidential republican candidate nikki haley. that is at 1:30 new york time. this is bloomberg. ♪ after nearly five months on strike, hollywood screenwriters have reached a tentative new labor agreement. president biden moments ago releasing a statement, praising the deal, saying "i urge all employers to remember that all workers including writers, actors, and autoworkers deserve a fair share of the value of their labor helped create." the president is set to travel to michigan on tuesday to support striking members of the united auto workers. former president trump plans to do the same on wednesday. for more on the current state of negotiations between those autoworkers and the uaw and the big three automakers, craig trudell is with us.

. >> joining me now, republican congressman mike lawler of new york. congressman, thank you for being here. you heard speaker mccarthy just a few moments ago saying that the house will consider a that conservative stopgap bill, even though it's not clear necessarily tonight if they have the votes to pass. and i mean, do you believe that the votes are there? or is it clear to you what the strategy is exactly tonight? >> well, we're going to work like heck to pass it. i've been very clear from the start that i will not support a government shutdown, nobody wins in a government shutdown. in fact, the american people are gonna be the ones that get hurt. at the end of the day, i fundamentally agree with our conference that we need to cut spending. joe biden increased spending by over five trillion dollars in new spending in his first two years. that's unsustainable. and our national debt as now crossed 33 trillion dollars. so, we absolutely need to rein in spending. we need to go through the single subject appropriation bills. we all agree that at the begin

and mike lawler's right. the final solution in divide the government always has to be bipartisan.he question is, what platform, what paradigm do we use to engage that negotiation? i believe that we should negotiate each agency of government and each appropriation bill separately so that we get to a programmatic level of analysis. what i disagree with is the notion we should start with the premise that we just fund everything the way it's been going the prior year, whether it's worked or not, whether it's exceeded its expected distributions of funds or not. you see, that just leads to more of the same. it's actually precisely the reason that we are $33 trillion in debt, facing $2 trillion annual deficits. we cannot go on as a country that's spending $7 trillion and bringing in $5 trillion. >> i understand what you're saying about spending levels. how do we get from point "a" to point "b," from where we are right now which seems to be chaos to a point where there's a solution and the government's not shut down in a week? this could have real impacts on a lot of federal workers. peop

mike lawler joins me now. congressman, thank you so much for talking to me today. you know, eric adams, as well as the governor here in new york, have both been asking the biden administration to help with these work permits, to get things processed, waper work filled out. biden administration says they are sending teams here this month. do you think that's a good idea? >> look, we could speed up the work authorization but it's not going to solve the problem here. since joe biden became president, you've had over five and a half million migrants cross the border illegally. many asylum cases are taking 2 to 3 years to be heard and when they are heard they are rejected. 70% of them. in new york city, a sanctuary city, they have taken in over 100,000 migrants since last year, and so they can't handle the overload. and so just, you know, expediting the work authorization here is not going to solve the problem, even the deputy mayor of new york city admitted unless we deal with the crisis at the border, the problem is going to persist in new york city, and so the govern

>> there is zero evidence that michael lawler or any of the so-called moderate republicans in new york or anywhere else throughout this nation are willing to work with house democrats to end this extreme mega -- maga republican shutdown, zero evidence, because there is a discharge petition that is live at this very moment that as 213 democratic signatures that is a vehicle that is available right now to end extreme republican government shutdown crisis. and the republicans are missing in action, nowhere to be found, talk a good game, but nowhere to be found on eight discharge petition that is an available vehicle. among other options that we might have accessible to us to end the shutdown crisis. as i mentioned from the very beginning, we aren't ready, willing, and able to find common ground with house republicans to make life better for everyday americans in any way possible, but we need willing partners, and those partners may talk a good game, but they are missing in action, and every single time they have had an opportunity to do the right thing, instead of standing up for the amer

congressman lawler needs democratic votes to win reelection. like i get you're a very partisan democrat, is it not possible there's a republican you can work with as long as you don't sound when you talk to him, the way you just sounded talking to me? >> i talk to congressman lawler all the time. he's right next door to me. he hasn't shown the ability to lead. we need leadership, and he has not led on any of the issues i mentioned. >> democratic congressman, jamal bowman, we'll have you back. thank you so much for coming on today. i appreciate. our coverage continues right now with wolf blitzer in "the situation room." >>> happening now, tensions on capitol hill after house republicans day-long grilling of the u.s. attorney general merrick garland. garland defending the justice department against the barrage of gop attacks. also tonight, trump campaigns in iowa sharpening his focus on the first republican presidential contest. this as a brand new cnn poll now reveals who's on the ridse and who's sliding in another critical early battleground, t

we'll have congressman lawler of new york, upstate from here, he's in a swing district, a close race he won, he's speaking out. you don't hear, typically, republicans coming out of the press, the caucus meetings and saying, "we're terrible right now. we're a mess." usually, it's democrats describing republicans, but you're hearing it from republicans, saying that this is a disaster it's not clear what kevin mccarthy does to get out of it he caved a little to the minority who, yes, they're trying to get podcast audience, stay famous, stay relevant that's what they're doing. it's not clear how he finds his way out of this and, more importantly, how we fund the government, because the shutdown is a week from saturday. by my count, that's nine days from now, without a clear path out of it. >> yeah, and this is what happened, democrats will say this is what happens when you put these trump republicans in charge of something. again, it's just a complete, clear indictment. >> you have "the wall street journal" there. >> "wall street journal" editorial page, jonathan lemire. >> we're going t

you have the frustration of the mainstream republicans particularly you saw mike lawler there from new york, he's in a biden district and a more moderate republican, and he wants to keep the government open and he knows this small group of the right wing that is preventing that is a tiny minority. it is not the base of the party as steve womack said. but on the other side, you have right wing republicans who saw kevin mccarthy bring up that debt bill or the budget bill in this year and they cut a deal with biden and they're frustrating. they don't want to go through that again with the spending bill. so there is no way that the two could mesh at this point. >> and another way to put that, is primary politics versus general election politics. when you look at someone like mike lawler, in a battleground strict and one of the majority makers for republicans right now and you hear the politics of someone running in a marginal district. when you see matt gaetz whose pure mission is to rally the right and be in that echo chamber and scare a primary challenge and you see when primary politics

democrats that i'm talking to say that there are some procedure steps that lawler would have to take's a rare procedural tool that you can use on the floor to try to force a vote on something. but, there may not actually be enough time. and there's kind of always this open question of are you just trying to whip votes for kevin mccarthy on this republican cr by threatening to work with democrats? or are you actual serious you're going to cross the aisle, work with us and get this across the finish line. i think there's a lot of question marks on that this morning. we're going to wait to see how it plays out over the next 24 hours, phil. >> no question. thank you, lauren fox. >>> now to the auto strike. there's a new deadline. that is friday. watch. >> if we don't make serious progress by noon on friday, september 22nd, more locals will be called on to stand up and join the strike. that will mark more than a week since our first members walked out. and that will mark more than a week of the big three failing to make progression and negotiations towards reaching a deal that does right

. >> putting a guy like mike lawler that you just talked about in westchester county in trouble, becauseis in a pie thj noerm and this is a tough situation that you are putting one of the swing seats in california and new york into trouble. we haven't that. >> the argument is that the gop is going to be blamed fob this. how do you see it? >> mccarthy is trying to balance the moderates and the ones who made his majority with the hard-liners who are currently blocking the progress as the tale of the speakership, but as manu pointed out, you cannot look al anything that kevin mccarthy is doing, and deals that he made with the most conservative members of the congress who keeps trying to mollify right now. but those most conservative ones are to come together to get something done, because they don't want to see the government shutdown. >> it is midnight on saturday when it is due. >> tick, tick, iktick. >> yes. >>> this morning we learned that hunter biden is suing rudy giuliani for hacking hunter's personal data and his long time lawyer and distributing it against federal and state laws. b

lawler. mr. lawler: thank you, congressman reschenthaler. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman is recognized. mr. lawler: thank you, madam chair. 75% of americans believe we are headed in the wrong direction. according to neeferl single -- nearly every single national poll. nbc news recently had a poll that showed republicans outperformed democrats by 21 points on the question of who is better equipped to handle the economy. why? because bidenomics has been an absolute disaster. record inflation. skyrocketing energy prices. higher grocery bills. people are struggling. this administration has increased spending by over $5 trillion in new spending in just two years. the american people elected a house republican majority to serve as a check and balance on this administration and on the senate. but also to govern. there are real challenges in this country. starting with our economy, our reckless out-of-control spending, the cost of living, our long-term debt, crossing $33 trillion. the fact that if we do nothing, social security and medicare

lawler falls? there's even some hard-core maga republicans, i want them -- tea party republicans that says there's no evidence to have an impeachment vote no. i would love to see how it plays out. >> congressman jimmy gomez, i think i caught a dropping some spanglish words in your comments. thank you for your time. >> thank you. >>> still to come, we're following breaking news. former president trump and his adult children could be called to stand in a new york civil fraud case. we have details ahead. >>> plus it's not officially a rematch just yesterday, but president biden is sure acting like it. he's said to issue a blunt warning why donald trump is a threat to democracy. we're on it. >>> the fda is slapping a new warning label on ozempic. we'll explain why, in just moments. stay with us. >>> donald trump, his two adult sons and closest business advisers could be cause called to testify in the civil fraud trial that's scheduled to begin next week, kara, what are you learning here? >> reporter: t

michael lawler also said they're stuck stuck on. >> so they used words against republicans to lay out that blame. >> when i say whistling past the graveyard, if you look at the big picture here, anybody who cares about spending, but either party is a liar. all they all do is spend and that's the underlying issue. we're going to kick it down the r road. >> that's the definition of insanity. it wouldn't go anywhere in the senate. they know that. so what you see here is on the republicans side, and if you ask me, i think the democrats in the house are kind of in the driver's seat right now. they'll have to provide the votes, or if matt gaetz gets his wish and they try to vacate the chair, what do democrats do? they're not going to be going along for nothing. they're going to ask for all kinds of things, concessions, power sharing. right now they're holding back so you can't blame the public. >> on the other hand, don't ever get in the way of a boulder when you see it running downhill. [ laughter ] >> so, congressman, i want to ask you about another development here tonight. that's presid

i think moderates have democrats they won over last time like mike lawler. >> ainsley: i think it is all true. and i think that republicans are frustrated because they believe there is there there, but getting that information seems impossible because of what james comer is saying. dhs under alejandro mayorkas is complicit, but whistleblowers came forward and said this is not true, this is what happened behind closed doors and it is starting to fold. >> brian: right. matt gaetz has to be practical, he can't tell the speaker to do this. call up moderate republicans and convince them because their hands are tied. if you have a government shutdown, guess what stops? the investigation. if you stop the government, i don't likes spending on the appropriations bill, this investigation stops. people should stop posturing and deal with their own party. democrats are turning on democrats with border issue and democrats are turning on republicans with this issue. >> steve: there is one party that wants to see joe biden impeached by the republicans, that is democrats, they know that would be a b

. >> mike lawler, we will see what the rest of it looks like on capitol hill. thank you for joining us tonight. >> thank you. >> with that living shutdown, you sonic shortening scene out of michigan today. biden becoming the first sitting president to ever join a picket line. he will tell you more of what he told those on strike. >>> today historic image that you saw, president biden bullhorn in hand becoming the first sitting president to a picket line, placing himself on the side of the striking autoworkers and their fight for higher pay and better benefits from the nation's big three automakers. >> wall street did not build the country, the middle class built the country. let us keep going. you deserve to earn. >> the president trying to make good on his promise to be the most prounion president in history. as tomorrow, his 2024 potential rival, donald trump, is going to speak to current and former union members in detroit forgoing the presidential debate tomorrow night. despite the head of the union saying, thanks but no thanks. trump is trying to appeal to

. >> todd: you are aware of what critics say about you and mike lawler.ly willing to work with democrats, you are in heavily democrat districts and need democrat votes to win reelection, what is your response to that? >> i've been really engaged in the negotiation and best option is to present a budget to senate democrats. by default or design, we have a bipartisan government, whatever we adopt head to be agreed to by the senate and signed by a president that is living in a fog, not willing to confront trillions they forced into the economy, driving up inflation. my best option for us certainly is to come forward with strongest, most conservative agreement we can get votes for. we need a bipartisan solution, we have a bipartisan government, americans expect us to come to a conclusion and find agreement that respects them. >> todd: there is the global politics of all this. i'm sure you have seen the polls showing joe biden getting trounsed by donald trump by 12 points. the average voter hates joe biden's policies. are you worried despite this, republicans

neil: i spoke to your colleague, congressman lawler, and he blames you guys, he says you are nuts.l of my colleagues refused to take yes for an answer, refused to define a win and they refused to work as a team. i'm not going to allow them to shut down the government at the expense of the american people so they can raise money online in $5 increments acting like they are doing something and sticking it to the administration when all they are doing is screwing their colleagues and the majority. >> tensions are high and emotions run high. i don't take offense. people get upset and vent it in different ways. you are a financial expert. you are a financial expert. we collect $5 trillion in revenue this year. they want to spend $7 trillion. that is a $2 trillion bear that we have to fill in not including $1 trillion of the $5 trillion that needs to be utilized to pay the interest on the national debt we currently have. those projections. neil: you are quite right to raise that and we spend a lot more than we taken. is this the way to do it? >> we have to utilize the appropriation bills

there are a lot of authors of this shutdown, but take a listen to new york congressman mike lawler. >> there is only one person to blame for any potential government shutdown and that is matt gaetz. he is not a conservative republican. is he a shcharlatan. when you work with democrats trying to vacate the speaker, you are a joke. >> do you think gaetz is entirely to blame? >> i don't know about entirely. he is certainly one of the prime inst instigators. but to think about caucus -- >> gaetz is not in the freedom caucus. >> you have a subset of the group and matt gaetz certainly in a leading role, but it takes more than just one person in my view to make what we've got right now. matt gaetz is a principal instigator in this, but the notion that he alone is responsible i think is probably a little generous to him. >> and how do you think democrats should play this, just sit back and let them kill each other? >> listen, there is not much power that democrats have in congress other than standing up for the principals and ethics and values of the sthugs. so yeah, they will let the republi

think about people like mike lawler who is in a d plus district. they were desperate not to shut down the government because they knew. >> right. and s.e., the house minority leader was calling this a victory for the democrats today. let's listen to that. >> the american people have won. the extreme maga republicans have lost. it was a victory for the american people and a complete and total surrender by right-wing extremists who throughout the year have tried to hijack the congress. >> s.e., what do you think of that? it's kind of hard to argue with what the minority leader is saying there. kevin mccarthy had to work with democrats to get this done. >> listen, he's not wrong. i would rather leave pundity to people like us. i think elected officials shouldn't put things in those terms, surrender, a loss for a political party. the american people don't care about that. i don't love framing it that way and i think that's why people hate washington, frankly. we can talk like that and he's right. this was a total surrender by kevin mccarthy on behalf o

there serious bickering among your republicans, representative mike lawler of new york, republican. here what he just said. we do have this, listen. >> only one person to blame for a government shutdown and that is matt gaetz. it's not a conservative republican, he's a charlatan. liz: don't know how you can blame the democrats at this moment when you've got your own people saying it is matt gaetz and the freedom caucus. >> every democrat voted against this bill to keep the government operating. no democrat stepped up to support our efforts. liz: you control the house. republicans control the house. >> that is right and we need to put forward legislation that does keep the government running. we will try to do that. we all have to recognize the senate is just trying to continue our spending troubles the created this inflationary spiral in the white house is no friend to conservatives either so we have to continue to stand by our commitment to the american people, to reduce spending, to secure the border and we will do that and we will keep the government open. liz: i applaud the free

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congress member lawler are right to say from their point of view, they are right to say one of my colleagues doing? this is stupid, and this is going to cost us our jobs in congress. democrats are looking in that and saying by all means go-ahead, keep doing what you're doing. if you're a republican in congress, why are you not doing anything to that minimum protect remembers? >> we are out of time, but we have not even talked about the broader implications, such as there are thousands of federal employees who live in the northern virginia suburbs, that is already doing early voting, and the republican voter -- is hoping to flip the state legislature from democrat to republican, as many part of another plan of his, but we were going to talk about all that another time. susan del percio, thank you both very much for coming to the saturday show. coming, up trouble for trump, the special counsel raises concerns over the former president's rhetoric on his pending criminal cases, including hurling more verbal threats against judge tanya chutkan, and mark milley. we'll talk about it after the break

take a listen to mike lawler represents a biden swing district in new york. >> i think you have a handfulle who are choosing to be obstinate for one reason or another. some personal. the vast majority of republicans are here to do our jobs, and to govern. and we'll get there. you know, if we have to bring them kicking and screaming, but we'll get there. >> reporter: so kevin mccarthy has a choice whether he'll cater to the right flank, could be a dead end. that wouldn't avoid a shutdown with the senate or try to work with democrats, that could put his speakership at risk. not clear how they'll get out of this mess with days to go before the government funding deadline. >> congressman matt gaetz of florida saying negotiates with democrats by mccarthy is a political death warrant. we'll see. >>> one day away from another deadline for a deal between the big three automakers and the union to avoid more walkouts. speaking to the president of an ohio chapter an negotiations next. >>> meantime, striking hollywood writers and big studios could be nearing a deal. there was a critical meeting under

i do not think any of those folks, mike lawler, don bacon. i will go down the line.eachment that it's not uniform about why they are attempting to impeach the current president of the united states. it's supposed to be a misdemeanor, for the high kind of mr. weiner joe biden himself has committed. so look, i think that is why. on the house oversight committee, actually very smart. frankly, more of it should be happening in various communities across the board. the strategizing, the sessions that ranking member raskin is hosting with the committee. so they can get their ducks in a row. the kind of members who sit on the oversight committee, on the democratic side. congresswoman alexandra ocasio-cortez. yokohama, chantal brown. these are folks who are very quick on their feet when it comes to their television appearances. and the same goes for the questions in the committee hearings. >> tim, new topic. another one i can't understand. the biden campaign officials are telling nbc news that they campaign is going to shift and start focusing more on donald trump and in par

it was mike lawler, a republican in the house, we said, we look stupid here. >> there are about 18 republicans who live in districts that joe biden won in 2020. and they are the ones who are out on the sharp edge here, right, stephanie ruhle? which is, that they know that they are stuck in the middle. they are either going to get primaried from somebody from maga, or they are going to get beaten by a moderate democrat in the general election next year. so, they don't know what else to do. but they're trying to save their own skins of the context of trying to save the country, which i am certainly a fan. of but i think that juanita it certainly. right -- this is the chaos conference. they don't like government. and the people who are espousing this, matt gaetz, paul gosar -- marjorie taylor greene is -- she's not going to get primaries. he's not going to get beaten, and so, they're happy to do this because, at the end of the day, number one, they think it makes them look good because everybody that loves them hates the government. number two, they believe it is bad for joe biden which they lik

the big news of the day was congressman lawler of new york saying he would vote with the democrats onhich, you know, would be a little bit of a change than what we normally see in the house where you would have one member of the majority party joining with the minority party to do something. you know, if we get down to it and moderate republicans who live in purple districts in blue states feel like they need to do some self-preservation, that could be something that drives this debate in a different direction. >> jamal, what do you think? how realistic is that discharge petition as it's called? >> you know, i don't know how realistic it is, because i can't imagine kevin mccarthy would be bring this to the floor just with democrats or with democrats making the difference while most of his caucus is against it. i think this is going to be a real challenge for him. i get worried about kevin mccarthy as speaker because if he can't deliver his caucus, i'm not sure what kind of negotiating partner he is for the president. and we've got a lot of big things to manage, incomluding making sure

>> well, obviously i disagree with congressman lawler. i like him. he has his opinion.ocus today in our conference meeting that on interests alone, we're spending $20,000 per second, not minute, not hour, per second. and where i disagree with many of the moderates is the only thing this president has done -- that has been done well is give us a treasure of things to cut. and we've got to start doing that. i think a lot of us feel like on the debt ceiling that we do not end up with what we voted for. and so we've got a chance to right the ship and with the 12 appropriation bills. and if it takes time, we'll do that. you have to remember that this government shut businesses down all over the country because of a virus. they put children out of school because of the virus. and now, we can take a pause to get it right and i think that is what we'll do. >> i don't need to tell you that these threats happening right now from members on the right about trying to oust the speaker. matt gaetz is threatening to force this vote. and he says that the speaker has violated promise af

congressman mike lawler has been very clear about his -- i want to play -- you heard it earlier. i want to play something else he said. >> this is not conservative republicanism. this is stupidity. the idea that we are going to shut the government down when we don't control the senate, don't control the white house, these people can't define a win. they don't know how to take yes for an answer. it's a clown show. you keep running lunatics, you will be in this position. >> you're not known to be as fiery in how you describe your colleagues, but to that point, do you agree? is his assessment kind of spot on in the reality now? >> the reality is some members will probably never ever get to a yes. we went into that knowing that. but we have to go through the motions, try to pass the bills. and, obviously, they keep talking about continuing to move appropriations bills. but the same people saying that are the ones voting against the rule to bring the appropriations billings to the floor. if we can't move approach probations bills to the floor we have no other option. as the day gets c

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