lawrence lessig, the center for ethics.lost" and lester land, the corruption of congress. it's an honor to have you here at the table. >> it's great to be here. >> you talk about how congress is more corrupted by donations than many people even realize. and yet more fixable than the media would have us believe. what do you mean? >> right. i don't think they're corrupted by donations. i think they're corrupted by the process of raising money. when you have members of congress spending between 30 and 70% of their time raising money from the tiniest fraction of 1%, basically, 150,000 americans are the funders of these campaigns. what that can't help but do is to give them a sixth sense, a constant awareness about how what they do will affect their ability to raise money. and that is the corrupting influence. now that problem is eminently solvable. we don't have to amend the constitution to fix that problem. a single statute that would change the way we fund elections, giving small dollar funded elections, in the way for exampl