this week, he tackled several of those issues in this new final major interview with msnbc own lawrence o'donnell. here are some of the key points that came up in the exchange with lawrence, along with recent factual context. >> the wealthiest people in the world began to control all the apparatuses from the media to the economy. and who do i get to fight back for me? >> do you think that the people voting for trump understand this quote unquote, temporary hardship that will come, at least according to elon musk, that necessarily involves some some temporary hardship, but it will ensure long term prosperity. >> everything is changing. and the biggest thing that's changing is how we communicate with one another. >> first, we're going to get rid of fact checkers and replace them with community notes. >> i really am concerned about how fragile democracy is. >> i will be looking at them very, very seriously for pardons. >> i really think we're at an inflection point in history here. >> as you can see, i'm not just maga, i'm dark maga. >> was there a sense of the release of a burden getting up from th

and be sure to tune in tonight for lawrence o'donnell's full interview with president biden on the lastd. that is tonight at 10 p.m. eastern, right here on msnbc. go, lawrence. coming up next, with the rise of oligarchy, comes the crumbling of our free press, the blatant warning signs, and our desperate need for media desperate need for media literacy. after the break. when i was diagnosed with h-i-v, i didn't know who i would be. but here i am... ...being me. keep being you... ...and ask your healthcare provider about the number one prescribed h-i-v treatment, biktarvy. biktarvy is a complete, one-pill, once-a-day treatment used for h-i-v in many people—whether you're 18 or 80. with one small pill, biktarvy fights h-i-v to help you get to undetectable—and stay there whether you're just starting or replacing your current treatment. research shows that taking h-i-v treatment as prescribed and getting to and staying undetectable prevents transmitting h-i-v through sex. serious side effects can occur, including kidney problems and kidney failure. rare, life-threatening side effects include

president biden told lawrence o'donnell he wished he had been better at selling the wins of the democratic party. now o'donnell brought up the subject of the stimulus checks that were sent out in 2020, and then president trump's decision to have his name printed on them. he asked president biden if he had considered doing the same thing. >> the mistake we made was, i think i made, was not getting our allies to acknowledge that the democratdid this. so, for example, build a new billion dollar bridge over the river, call it the democratic bridge, figuratively speaking. talk about who put it together. let people know that this was something the democrats did. that it was done by the party. that's different than me writing a check and me signing a check and saying, i did it. i'm not a very good huckster. >> reporter: here in washington, preparations are well under way for inauguration day. capitol police say there will be more than 30 miles of anti-scale fence. there are 250,000 ticketed guests with more expected on the national mall. on sunday, president-elect trump is holding a make america

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. >> president biden, meanwhile, gave his final oval office interview to msnbc's lawrence o'donnell. during the wide ranging sit down, the president reiterated his fears about the future of democracy in america. he also acknowledged mistakes his administration made when it came to communicating with voters, such as those covid stimulus checks. >> i really am concerned about how fragile democracy is. that sounds corny, but i mean, i really i really am concerned because you've heard me say it a hundred times. i really think we're at an inflection point in history here. we're unrelated to any particular leader. things are going to change drastically. so i guess what i'm worried about is that the thing that keeps it on track are the guardrails. that's that there's a supreme court that's independent, but not but accountable. there is a congress that you speak your mind, but you're held accountable to basic standards. there's a presidency that says you have really limited powers. i mean, you're the top dog, but you're not. you can't dictate everything. and i don't know, they seem to just w

next, president biden sits down with lawrence o'donnell in the final exclusive oval office interviewt's ahead for the country. the last word next on msnbc. >> tonight, the mayor of new york city, eric adams, is reportedly on his way to palm beach, florida, to meet with president elect trump at mar a lago. likely to be high on the agenda is the influx of migrants in new york city, something adams previously signaled he would work with the trump administration to address. now, of course, trump's solution to that problem is mass deportations. so what exactly is in store for the thousands of migrants currently residing in sanctuary cities like new york? joining me now is someone who has recently and, like always, spending time reporting on the ground to such great success, talking to asylum seekers right here in the city. msnbc contributor paola ramos. it's just always a good moment to have you here, because there's always tumult and you do such an incredible job reporting on it. paola. but first, you know, it feels like when you talk about these mass deportations, blue states, sanctuary

now it is time for the last word with lawrence o'donnell. >> good evening. the entire city of los angeles, the entire region has fire spreading through it from the western edge that we knew about last night. the pacific palisades, now, to what you just reported the hollywood hills. that is just about dead center. and then we have already had fire out on the eastern edge of los angeles. this means that really everyone in the region now, people who an hour ago in the middle of town, who were in the hollywood area thinking they are completely safe are now in their cars not knowing where they are going. this really is something we have never ever seen before. >> and that sunset fire is now at 20 acres of flame. >> we will try to bring in as much simulcasting from knbc in los angeles to show these images that are just stunning. >> all right lawrence. we'll stick with your coverage. thank you. >>> well, as this fire now spreads, literally all the way across the los angeles region, this is the night when my house might burn down. it is being threatened by fire now

now it's time for the last word with lawrence o'donnell. good evening lawrence. >> i did not know the price of oreos. >> alex. >> you well? >> and costco and costco at costco, a special place. >> okay, i don't know the price anywhere, but now i do. >> i'm glad i could give that information to you, lawrence. >> thank you. alex. >> thank you. have a great show. thank you. >> well, you heard or many of you heard president biden's final speech from the oval office tonight. tomorrow night, you will hear his final interview from the oval office in a discussion that i will have with president biden in the oval office tomorrow. you'll see it at this hour. >> tomorrow night. i was in the oval office tonight in preparation for that. in the back of the room with the press section there, while president biden was delivering that final speech. and what you could not see in that frame, where it's just the one shot of the president is off to the side where his family was first lady, vice president, second gentleman. and for example, things like when the pr

now it is time for the last word with lawrence o'donnell. good evening, lawrence. >> that evening, and with this new report tonight, this means that the entire city of los angeles, the entire region has fire spreading through it, from the western edge that we knew about last night, the pacific palisades, now to what you just reported, the hollywood hills. that's just about dead center. and then we've already had fire out on the eastern edge of los angeles. this means that really everyone in the region now, people who, an hour ago, in the middle of town, who were in the hollywood area, west hollywood, thinking they were completely safe, are now in their cars, not knowing where they're going. this is -- this really is something we have never, ever seen before. >> and i believe that sunset fire in the hollywood hills is now presently at 20 acres of flame so i mean it's a catastrophic situation. >> there is a lot. we're going to try to bring in as much simulcasting from our k nbc in los angeles as we can, to show these images that are just stunni

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now it's time for the last word with lawrence o'donnell. good evening lawrence. >> i'm looking at you on blue sky right now, where i am. lawrence o'donnell. all. one word. all those letters jammed together. amazon to dot, msnbc.com. and it's really fun to be over here in blue sky in a world of social media sanity. it's a whole it's a whole new feeling. haven't had that feeling for quite a while. rachel, thank you so much for doing the math. hardest thing to do in the news business, but the math on these deportation flights. i was looking at this, you know, and seeing military aircraft. and then i in the story i'd read, there's like 82 people. i go, wait a minute, wait, you don't need you don't need that giant thing. this is this is a stunt. and of course, you've demonstrated that so well tonight that this is really just show business deportation. >> you can put 85 tons in a c-17 if you have a c-17, take off with 80 people in it. you are setting a gigantic pile of money on fire. and that is what they're doing, and pledging to do it every day

what may be his last tv interview of his presidency will come today, with msnbc's lawrence o'donnell tonight at 10:00 p.m. eastern on msnbc. >> chris, thank you. >>> senate confirmation hearings will continue this morning on capitol hill. today's slate includes the president-elect's pick for epa administrator, housing secretary and treasury secretary. during a sometimes-tense hearing yesterday, pam bondi vowed to keep politics out of prosecution. she condemned violence and said she would need to review the cases on the january 6 cases. >> will you be able to review hundreds of cases on day one? >> i will look at every file -- >> of course you won't. >> can i answer the question? i would have plenty of staff. you said of course you won't? >> you'll be able to review -- >> i'm not going to mislead this body, nor you. >> news of the cease-fire deal came during the hearing for secretary of state nominee marco rubio. >> there are now factors at play in the middle east. >> the confirmation process could begin as early as monday, likely beginning with rubio. >>> with the majority of red fla

be sure to watch lawrence o'donnell tonight on the last word, president biden sits down with lawrence for the final exclusive oval office interview of his presidency. they'll discuss his achievements, his legacy and what's ahead for the country. watch the last word tonight at 10 p.m. eastern on msnbc. all in with chris hayes starts now. tonight on all in. >> oligarchy is taking shape in america of extreme wealth, power and influence that literally threatens our entire democracy. >> the president's parting warning as tech titans line up behind donald trump. >> plus, how many push ups can you do? >> i did five sets of 47 this morning. >> the performative manliness of maga world as they bow to donald trump, then questioning you when you do about whether you will enforce an enemies list that he announced publicly on television. >> oh, senator. i'm sorry. there will never be an enemies list within the department of justice. >> senator sheldon whitehouse on trump's pick for attorney general and the brand new cease fire announcement for gaza. >> already on shaky ground, but all in. >> starts

msnbc's lawrence o'donnell asked him if he spoke with president-elect trump about the cease-fire deal. >> did you have any discussions about the cease-fire negotiations with the president-elect trump this week or last week as the deal was coming to a close? >> no. >> have you discussed it with him at all since the election? >> no. very, very briefly, when he came in there, i spent two hours with him to try to change the nature of the transfer of power so it was done peacefully. and i fold told him what i was , what i thought could happen. what we're doing is bringing his national security people, to tell them what was happening as we hand this off. >> he expressed regret over not spending more time communicating the achievements of his party. >>> today south dakota governor kristi noem will be questioned about qualifications for department of homeland security. it will play a major role in the plans for mass deportations. yesterday senators heard from scott bessant who defended president-elect trump's views on tariffs and focussed on extending tax cuts enacted under trump. he says he

tomorrow, president biden sits down with lawrence o'donnell in the final exclusive oval office interviewgacy and what's ahead for the country. the last word tomorrow at 10:00 on msnbc. >> the show began and continues being the place to have the hard conversations, from world leaders to the village people and that infamous white garbage truck donald trump rode in during the campaign. >> we now know some of the notable features of next week's inauguration. >> former president bill clinton and former secretary of state hillary clinton will both be in attendance, along with former president george w bush, former first lady laura bush and former president barack obama. tech leaders elon musk, mark zuckerberg and jeff bezos are also expected to be there and will be seated on the inaugural platform, positioned near cabinet officials and elected leaders, but notably missing from the list former first lady michelle obama. so far, no reason was given for her absence, but she's previously stated that trump's 2017 inauguration was not an enjoyable experience for her. >> meanwhile, house speaker mike

when we played that quote of president biden with lawrence o'donnell, it struck me that it it's a bookendran in the first place in 2020. it was a message of our democracy is at risk. i feel i need to jump in and help save the country. now he's leaving office and saying the country, the guardrails are in peril. we are in peril. what do you make of that as an outgoing message? >> well, in some ways it's sort of an acknowledgment that he didn't preserve it, right? that he if it is truly a bookend. and the threat that he was campaigning against is coming back, then he wasn't able to protect against it. i think the problem is that a lot of times, people don't understand how important democracy is to their daily life, so they think it's a luxury. they think it's this big idea as opposed to essential to our day to day decisions. >> you know, last night on pbs, i wrote, reiterated something. i said, i think on on election night, when it became clear that donald trump was going to be the was president elect. then it seemed to me, despite all the warnings about authoritarianism and his, you know, l

warned an oligarchy is taking shape in this country and expanded on that a bit with my colleague lawrence o'donnell listen to what was said. >> well, look. if the decision is made that the multi-billionaires, the super, super wealthy, the wealthiest people in the world began to control all the apparatuses from the media to the economy. and who do i get to fight back? >> for me, i mean, this comment is top tech and social media ceos. they're going to be attending trump's inauguration. they're going to sit in places of prominence alongside elected officials and cabinet members. look at that group. it includes who elon musk, jeff bezos, mark zuckerberg, apple ceo tim cook. what does their presence and position say to you? >> well, i'm not one who's saying that this is the new oligarchs. i'm not so sure i buy that. but what i do think these business leaders are doing is they're trying to position themselves with this new administration. they have shareholders that that expect results, and they want to get on the right side of this administration. it's as simple as that. these these guys are being ruthl

in an interview last night with my colleague lawrence o'donnell, president biden expressed regret about successes to the american public. >> the mistake we made was, i think i made was not getting our allies to acknowledge that the democrats did this ironically. i almost spent too much time on the policy and not enough time on the politics. >> how do democrats win the messaging war, and how do they make sure the american people see trump and his fellow plutocrats for what they are? i'll talk to someone who has traveled the country, talking to working class americans about working class americans about so(fisher investments) at fisher investments we may look like other money managers, but we're different. (other money manager) how so? (fisher investments) we're a fiduciary, obligated to act in our client'' best interest. (fisher investments) so we don't sell any commission-based products. (other money manager) then how do you make money? (fisher investments) we have a simple management fee, structured so we do better when our clients do better. (other money manager) your clients really c

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time now for the last word with lawrence o'donnell. good evening lawrence. i did not see that one coming. i have to tell you. i know a lot about jimmy carter. i didn't know how close he got to dying after the last guinea word. >> you just thought me that too. but jimmy carter did more after his presidency. it is not close. i'm glad for the tribute we will be offering them. lawrence, you have a great show tonight. >> first, first there was timothy mcvey. an american military veteran who killed 168 people including 19 children. timothy mcvey parked that truck in an act of home grown american terrorism. timothy mcvey's hatred of the american government was not tamed in any way by his service in the american military. so, too, were america's latest terrorist attack in new orleans on new year's eve. with an american military veteran. driving a pickup truck through a crowd to murder 14 people. the american military veteran terrorist was then killed in an exchange of gunfire with police. he doesn't remember timothymy vey and instead, he blames the criminals that he

now it is time for the last word with lawrence o'donnell. good evening lawrence. i always enjoy our handoffs but they respecially important these days. checking in with our friends who are in the area. >> i mentioned my home would be lost tonight. tomorrow night. saturday is the first time the wind will let us relax at all. so the good news, bad news is, the reports i have gotten, the fire trucks have been on my street. it means they need to be on my street. that's not the bad news. it is much better new it is fire trucks are far away from your street. because that means it isn't really threatening. but that's the way it is for everyone in los angeles. they are either deeply worried about their own house. walking out here to the studio. it just crossed my mind. oh, i don't want to say his name. i have to check with my dentist because i know he lives in pacific palisades. so i didn't even ask is he okay. there isn't really any suspense if you know where people live, you know. that's the most valuable thing anyone can send you is a picture of your street. and so, it

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. >> lawrence o'donnell can kiss my -- to say something like that 20 years at war defending this countryying from suicide and bombs, i guess they are right back to it and everything else the democrats have tried failed so why not blame the military? 25 million veterans in this country that served honorably and sacrifice for because you can show a dozen over the last 40 years that have done something terrible. singeing on this terrorism idea, specifically terrorism military veterans art terrorists. we had saudi arabians come into the country and take two airplanes and fly them into buildings and we still don't know how that happened. that's an immigration issue. is it not? americans start at 200 plus a day from fentanyl pushed by cartel. they're not hanging people's heads on spikes in mexico to send a message to those that would go against them? you can be as liberal as you want in this country and say anything you want but to say, to justify open border policy or just because you hate trump that much, to say united states army as a breeding ground for terrorists is not only shameful, it

now it is time for the last word with lawrence o'donnell. good evening lawrence.mportant these days. checking in with our friends who are in the area.

joe biden conducting his final exit as he was with lawrence o'donnell and sounded as bitter as it.r for joe might regretis slapping his name on stimulus checks like trumped. >> ironically spent much time little time on. being joe biden is so-and-so and so-and-so built by thebill democratic party. and a fragile democracy is. i really am concerned. seen a hundred thousand homes. then he particularly leader things changed drastically. >> reporter: and the outgoing president best remembered for sky-high inflation and a weak economy is now trying to pass the blame for his economic goals on the red states. >>. president joe biden: i got i criticism understandably g. investing more in red states than blue state. that's in his report. >> president joe biden: for two reasons. first they>> screwed up in termy of the ways they handle their economy and factoring and ac access. >> reporter: and earlier joe biden spoke for ths.e fina l time in public as president delivering marks this remarks is the conference of mayors and as usual he was a wordsmith. >> we announced the next phase 15 drug subject t

now it is time for the last word with lawrence o'donnell. tonight, this means that the entire city of los angeles, the entire region has fire spreading through it, from the western edge that we knew about last night, the pacific palisades, now to what you just reported, the hollywood hills. that's just about dead center. and then we've already had fire out on the eastern edge of los angeles. this means that really everyone in the region now, people who,

now it's time for the last word with lawrence o'donnell. good evening. lawrence. >> you know, rachel, now that you mention it, i've been trying to figure out my relationship to blue sky. i think i joined a long time ago and then ignored it. and we're going to work it out within the next 12 hours, because i've got to see what you're saying on blue sky. >> it is back. your relationship with blue sky is back on as of tonight. >> yeah, i'm going to get to work on it. rachel, it's been an evening that that has been so high speed disorienting, which i think is the intention of the new president and the new administration just trying to catch up with on the pardon side, for example, the number of people who were convicted of assaulting police officers. it ranges into the hundreds. we're trying to you had ryan riley on who knows everything about this. but i think over the next couple of days, we're going to be tracking a lot about the people who are going to be walking out of their prison cells thanks to donald trump. >> yeah. treated by trump as if they have bee

now it's time for the last word with lawrence o'donnell. good evening, lawrence. >> good evening, alex, and thank you. i started following the los angeles fire earlier today. i was just in the actual fire zone last week. i have friends, loved ones, family members there today in the evacuation zone, pulling things out of their homes. some of them didn't have time. some of them had to just run, basically. didn't have time to decide what's the most important thing in their house. we are going to be covering it during this hour. a local -- bob golden, who is a former los angeles fire department official, just said on the local coverage that i've been following, that this is an event of a historical nature. i've heard people refer to it today, understandably, as the palisades fire, because it's happening in the pacific palisades, which is a neighborhood of los angeles. pacific palisades is the city of los angeles, and it is a vast geographical neighborhood. it is adjacent to the santa monica's. the flames have been bearing down on the border of s

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now it's time for the last word with lawrence o'donnell. od evening lawrence. >> good evening rachel. you told me that last night about. get on blue sky. and i'm looking at blue sky right now. i'm looking at maddow, msnbc.com, at blue sky. and i guess i think i'm. let me just read to you, actually, rachel, the very first thing i said on blue sky. it's kind of like alexander graham bell, you know, in the first phone call. it felt that way. it felt like it has to be profound. and so this is what i came up with nine minutes ago. rachel told me to join blue sky last night, and it only took me 24 hours to figure it out. and. and here i am. >> and do you see what's posted on my blue sky account right now? >> i wish i knew. >> let me think. you don't know how to. >> do it. i think i do. wait, i'm going to press this thing here and i think i'll. you did it, y'all. this is fantastic. >> it says you did it, lawrence. woot! yes. and i also replied to your message to encourage you to do more. because this. you're perfect. >> yeah. no, listen, i'm going

now it's time for the last word with lawrence o'donnell. started following the los angeles fire earlier today. i was just in the actual fire zone last week. i have friends, loved ones, family members there today in the evacuation zone, pulling

now it's time for "the last word with lawrence o'donnell." good evening, lawrence.they are especially important these days checking in with all of our friends who are in the area, and i know especially have a lot of ties to the city of los angeles. >> yeah, here i am in our new york stud

now it's time for "the last word with lawrence o'donnell." good evening, lawrence. i always enjoy our handoffs. i think they are especially important these days checking in with all of our friends who are in the area, and i know especially have a lot of ties to the city of los angeles. >> yeah, here i am in our new york studio with my house in los angeles, 2,500 miles away, and so it's still standing. i mentioned it last night. it could be lost tonight. could be lost tomorrow night. saturday is the first time apparently the wind is going to let us relax at all. so the good news/bad news, i got reports for most of the last 24 hours, fire trucks have been on my street. and i first i thought, great, they are on my street. my house is safe. but it means they need to be on my street. that's the bad news. it's much better news that the fire trucks are far away from your street because that means it isn't really threatening. but that's the way it is for everyone in los angeles. they are either deeply worried about their own house, or everyone knows people who are now homel

joe biden conducting his final exit interview with msnbc host lawrence o'donnell.ded bitter as ever, full of grievance and self-pity. for example, joe biden regrets not slapping his name on stimulus checks like trump did. >> ironically, i almost spent too much time on the policy and not enough time on the politics. saying -- joe biden did this, and it's done by so-and-so. the bill by the democratic party kind of thing. you've heard me say it a hundred times. i think we are at an inflection point in history. related -- to a particular leader. things are going to change drastically. >> let's hope so. the outgoing president, who will be best remembered for sky high inflation and the weak economy, is now trying to pass the blame for his economic woes onto the red states. >> i got a lot of criticism, understandably. we've invested more in red states and blue states. >> that's in this book. that's in this report. >> for two reasons. one, red states really screwed up in terms of the way they handle their economy and the way they handled manufacturing, the way they handled

now it is time for the last word with lawrence o'donnell. >> good evening. entire region has fire spreading through it from the

say that immigration and border crossings were lower under his watch and in an interview with lawrence o'donnellwas basically saying that any issues he faced were just because he did not play politics the right way, too focused on policy. but clearly everyone is aware he's leaving. he's leaving at a very unpopular rating and we've seen this is really a wholesale repudiation of his entire administration. people voted overwhelmingly for president trump and to put republicans in both houses of congress and so frankly i think people are going to forget about him in a few days. >> trace: they just don't believe him anymore, that's part of the thing, they don't believe him. lydia moynihan, jeff vaughn, thank you. fire crews making progress but the santa ana winds that spread the fires in the first place might be headed back to la. jeff paul live in pacific palisades with the new information on this. >> reporter: trace, for the time being the winds have really died down out here and with the improving weather conditions, that has allowed firefighters to build on their containment lines on both fires. b

. >>> now it's time for "the last word" with lawrence o'donnell. >> good evening, alex.arlier today. i was just in the actual fire zone last week. i have friends, loved ones pulling things out of their homes in the evacuation zones. some of them didn't have time. we'll be covering it during this hour. bob goldman, who is a former los angeles fire department official, just said on the lo

now it's time for the last word with the great lawrence o'donnell. good evening lawrence. >> good evening rachel. and so let me get this straight. so you doing five nights a week? doesn't that mean i can do one night a week now wouldn't that. oh, no it doesn't. okay. yeah. next question. i kind of had that feeling. i kind of had the feeling. rachel, i'm in the washington studio where i will be all week because on thursday night, my guest will be the president of the united states, joe biden. >> you're kidding me. you are kidding me. you've got a biden interview this week. >> it may very well be his last interview as president of the united states. i think probably definitely his last television interview as president of the united states. wow. and there's. and the challenge, rachel, is how do we do that in an hour of television programing? how can we possibly fit in everything that would need to fit in? and, you know, my curiosity goes far beyond the presidency because this is the end of the biden career. this is the exit interview for the 36 years in

now it's time for the last word with lawrence o'donnell. evening lawrence. >> rachel. >> i just wanted to add to what you were just discussing with lisa rubin that the abuse that has been described in that second marriage to samantha hegseth. this is from pete hegseth. mother. this is this is her email to him at the time where she says to him, you are an abuser of women and a man that belittles, lies, cheats, sleeps around and uses women for his own power and ego. no accusation of physical abuse there. she then goes on to list the abuse as your abuse over the years to women, dishonesty, sleeping around, betrayal, debasing, belittling needs to be called out. and what's so important about this is republican senators are saying they're defending him by saying there was no physical abuse. and his second wife, samantha, says there was no physical abuse. that's correct. she does say that pete hegseth mother describes what the abuse, the nonphysical abuse actually was that they're talking about right there. >> and with lisa rubin's new reporting t