joining me now is lawrence ross author of "the dinvine nine." >> thank you, rev. >> lawrence you knowthe culture of fraternities as well as anyone. are you surprised that this investigation is widening to chapters at other schools? >> no not at all. in fact i'm just surprised that we are surprised. if you actually understand the history of fraternities and sororities particularly on white campuses you'd really be able to see this any year that you wanted to look at it. all you have to look for is fraternities and halloween and fraternities and sororities during black history month. we've had plenty of incidents over the years where predominant fraternities put black paint on their faces, held a racist party, like constant cookouts and ghetto parties, quote/unquote, where they imitated gang members or things that dealt with latinos in terms of using a latino stereotype. so this actually goes back. this is not something different. and you might see this in terms of the early history of sorry sororities and fraternities. >> that it was on public display seemingly without reservation by m

joining me now are legal analysts, ariba martin and lawrence ross author of "the divine nine: a historyernities." thank you, both for being here. >> thank you rev. >> thank you, reverend. >> what's your take on the police investigation? >> well, i think we have to accept the investigation. one of the promising things about it was, though the police said they were not closing their investigation. they're just suspending it for now. obviously if this young woman has not come forth and told the truth about this this is a bad day for all rape victims because that means it will be harder for those victims to be believed when they actually are raped. but i think the importance of this story is it's raised and continues to raise the issue of sexual assaults on campus and causes us to have those much-needed discussions about how men and women need to protect themselves. >> i want to get to that because there's a bigger issue regardless of what the final outcome of this case is. but as you said the police chief made sure to say the work on this case is not done yet. listen to the chief as he sai

joining me now is lawrence ross author of the "divine nine a history of african-american fra tern tistyiesnd chelsea davis, head of the black student group at ou. they're the ones that first posted the video online. thank you both for being here. >> thank you reverend. >> thanks for having me. >> lawrence the big news today, the local chapter hiring a lawyer. what are the legal tensions that play between the school and fraternities? >> well, fraternities and schools typically have -- traditionally have had a relationship that is kind of i don't want to say tenuous because you have on one hand fraternities saying they have a freedom of association. so they should be able to govern themselves independent of the universities while universities on the other hand, say that when you are part of a university, you have to follow the university rules.ypically but a code of conduct. we get into sort of a gray area. this honestly is a gray area for me in terms of i don't know -- i'm not a lawyer obviously, but one of the things i look at is the freedom of expression even as repugnant as that freedom

ross and the supreme s and the four tops. ♪ ain't no woman like the one i've got. ♪ >> and joining me are lawrence payton junior, ronnie mcnairar and harold von hart. thank you for being here. great to talk to you. i wish you were here in detroit. so i'm in detroit and you are in new york. why are you in new york? >> because the weather is better here today. >> we had a special invitation to sing happy birthday to walt frazier and do the national anthem at the knicks game and do five minutes at the half time. it is a celebration for walt frazier. >> that is great. >> and we're fortunate to be in the city to do that. they invited us. >> well i'm really excited to be in your city. >> i'd like to be there with you. >> the kids would love it. it is really great being here at this event. i want to ask duke this question, as an original member of the four tops, what is it about the city of detroit and what is in the water or the dna that made so many musical acts successful here and did detroit somehow influence the four tops' sound? >> first of all, when people work very hard and it comes from the south, back in the '20s, 1920, 19