sullivan. and he said, ann, are you aware you just cited all liberals that liberals consider conservatives? [laughter] so a lot of them seem to have begun to make the transition. okay, lawrence o'donnell. juan williams. smart liberals. bill maher. he's funny. he'd be smarter if he read, bill. >> host: what's your professional relationship with bill maher? >> guest: well, he introduces me as his first wife and, apparently, a lot of people believe that. [laughter] i think he's verified i was his most frequent guest when i was on politically incorrect, and i do think he's very quick and funny, but he brags about how he doesn't read books. and if you're going to get all your politics from rolling stone magazine, i'm sorry, you'd be so much funnier if you read more. >> host: you mentioned that you enjoy the research and writing part of a book. 594 footnotes or end notes are at the end of "demonic." >> guest: we call them footnotes cloak callly. >> host: how do you do your research, where do you write? >> guest: um, i read and read and read. i tend not to take notes, um, which is why i'm really looking forward to doing all of my research on kindle books because it's going to be so