he was wright in lawrence v. texas.t will be interesting to see him argue this, because in so many ways he was prescient. look. personally, this is an extraordinary moment, because real people's lives have once again been affirmed. at the same time, you temper your appreciation because you recognize the work that's been ahead. this is another step in a very long process, but perhaps the most historic and compelling, because this is a federal decision based on the u.s. constitution, and i should remind people, bush wanted to change the constitution for a reason, because he thought there was something wrong. we think there is something right, that there is nothing in this constitution denying equal protection in due process. >> [inaudible] >> if i lose fighting for something i believe in, i am proud. i would reather lose an election than capitulate my true beliefs. there are politicians better tat that than me, and many are better politicians. but i believe in this. i am not an idealogue about this. i have family members

him to rule a different way is that they said they were following supreme court precedent in lawrence v. texas, another landmark gay rights ruling. are all of these rulings coming out of fundamental change about gay rights and civil rights issues in the federal court system? >> i think they are. rachel, the most elegant aspect of all of this is it is easy to dismiss cases against gays and lesbians as some faceless monolithic body. it is much, much more difficult when you have to face a person, a talented and patriotic person who is doing a very important job. and i think that's what is so elegant about this decision is that when you actually took the time to find out who witt was, and what she did, the outcome was inevitable. i think that your point is still a very good one that it is -- it does appear to be the courts that are most likely to address this policy. which has always been built on what is -- can be described as a not so noble lie. that, you know, that gays and lesbians are a threat to military readiness. and this case puts the lie to that assertion. but it also, rachel, is very si