i've got all the lawyers i need. >> the murders of legal. eagles >> how them take it apart, get right. to it >> have a great show. >> thank you, thank you. >> tonight, the trump lawyers have filed a reply to the justice department's opposition to a judge appointing a so-called special master to examine some of the government records seized by the fbi at donald trump's florida home. neal katyal, andrew weissmann, and matt miller will give us the expert analysis. the most important thing to keep in mind, the single most important thing to know about the trump lawyers filing tonight is that it does not say one word about something included in the justice department's filing last night. it could get some of the trump lawyers indicted for obstruction of justice. one of the very important pieces of evidence in the justice department's filing last night is a copy of an under oath affidavit written by one of the trump's lawyers, inside -- and signed by one of the other trump lawyers, swearing under oath on that day that at that moment they were hand

donald trump's lawyers didn't think that was the end of it. and he said, we are not in the position without having seen the physical evidence and without having a chance to fully explore with these documents report to be, to tell the court, in good, faith that i know that i have an argument to be made about classification, to which the judge said, well, you did bring the lawsuit and make that claim. in judge a lean may securities cannon courtroom of florida, flores could get away with making statements like that. but not today. not in brooklyn. not with judge dearie, judge dearie suggested that the clear possibility that the trump lawyers would not be allowed to see the classified documents. in this case. and the that's judge dearie himself might not even look at them. judge dearie said, let's not belittled the fact that we are dealing with at least potentially legitimately classified information, and the government has very strong obligation, as all of us too, to see through, that that information doesn't get in the wrong hands. it is not jus

on june 3rd, when the trump lawyers lied under oath in writing. twice as many. in the justice department's filing in the case last night, on page 13, it says that the fbi, in a matter of hours, recovered twice as many documents with classification markings as the diligent search that the former presidents counsel and other representatives had weeks to perform calls into serious question the representations made in the june 3rd certification, and casts doubt on the extent of cooperation in this manner. that is just one of the elements of the obstruction of justice case against donald trump and his lawyers, and his staff. the trump lawyers had nothing to say tonight, about that dramatic and highly incriminating passage in the justice department's filing last night. not a single word. the trump lawyers, on june 3rd, swore under oath that they were on that day, handing everything over to the fbi. when the fbi comes back with a search warrant, they find twice as many classified documents as the trump lawyers handed over to them. and where did they find

he will be a basis with his lawyers. did he knowingly mislead the lawyers? which he misled by someone else, namely donald trump? that's something at the justice department le pen you want to run down the figure who told you what. >> let's consider the burden tonight on this issue, with the question of possibly prosecuting former president of the united states. when you have a witness now publicly revealing to have told donald trump le pen that if you do x, that is a crime. donald trump then does x. a sale of that because on saturday, attorney general is speaking to newly naturalized citizens in the country. they spoke specifically to the rule of law in this country. when you listen to these words tonight with the fact base that we now have and have developed in the last 15 minutes. eric herschmann telling donald trump, holding on to these documents is a crime. button front holds on to the document. listen to the words that he used on saturday le pen. he applied it very directly to his decision but indicting former president to united states. >> the protectio

he's an inadequately experience lawyer whose career as a lawyer may not be coming to an end. if federal prosecutors can privy intentionally lied to the fbi about all the documents being in the storage room and all the documents being handed over to the fbi on june 3rd, then evan corcoran can be convicted of lying to the fbi. much of fbi affidavit is still redacted. you don't know all the evidence of obstruction of justice that was presented to the judge to obtain the search warrant. but we do know that the judge believed it would probably be evidence of obstruction of justice founded donald trump's residence, that's why the judge approved the fbi search warrant. the most important piece of evidence for erin corcoran's new criminal defence lawyer to be studied by something else that we are just learning about and the newly unredacted portion of the affidavit. we have previously known that after the fbi and justice department went to that resident on june 3rd. they want to collect what they were then told we're all of the remaining documents. the justice department after that s

the trump lawyers refused to say again that the documents were not classified, and donald trump's lawyers in writing went so far as to invite a criminal prosecution of donald trump to determine whether the documents or classified, and whether or not they belong to donald trump. the trump lawyers actually said in writing, whether some of the listed property does not, in fact belong to president trump is a matter better dealt with an summary judgment or at trial. or at trial! there are donald trump's lawyers in writing today to a federal appeals court saying, the way to determine who should have these documents is to charge donald trump with federal crimes and put him on trial. after a day of trump lawyering like today, you don't have to be a tv fiction drama writer like i used to be to be left wondering, if donald trump's lawyers secretly were working against him wanting him to be convicted of crimes, would they have done or said anything different today? think about it. who was donald trump's lawyers who suggested raymond dearie as the special master, the special master who said today tha

if she has not lawyered up, she should be lawyering up, and so should ms. haba who was on tv talking about being in that room and the documents not ever look like that. she's at a minimum a witness, and she needs witness counsel. a witness as we know can turn into a subject, and a subject can turn into a target easily. so all of these lawyers need their own lawyers, which is part comical and part really astonishing to me. but they have put themselves in a situation where not only he have not controlled their lient to the extent that he's controllable. he's out there talking and digging a deeper hole for himself. but they are digging holes for themselves as codefendants. they have signed off on affidavits having personal knowledge about the documents and where they're stored. there's nothing else left. they've turned everything over, and of course that is not true, and the doj is aware of that, because in their recent filing they clearly made -- laid out that there's been some concealment going on by not only donald trump but people around him, and those peo

but basically had for what he was found the lawyers. did he knowingly mislead the lawyers. was he misled by someone else, namely, donald trump that is something that if you're the just apartment that basic investigatory tory claim means your wanted to figure that out. >> let's consider the burden on the attorney general, merrick garland tonight. on this issue of the question of possibly prosecuting a former president of the united states. when you have a witness now? publicly reveals to have told donald trump that if you do x, that is a crime. and then donald trump does x. and i say all that because, on saturday, attorney general merrick garland speaking to newly naturalized citizens in this country. spoke specifically about the rule of law in this country. and when you listen to these words tonight. but the fact base that we now have. that we've just developed in the last 15 minutes of eric herschmann telling donald trump, holding on to these documents is a crime. and donald trump holds on to the documents. listen to the words the attorney general used on saturday that see

and people of color lawyers.nd yet the in answer to your current question, the thing that i would say about her is that she was a lovely person, just a lovely person. and i wanted in my book to show her her full personhood, her full humanity and to show, for instance, how she mentored law clerks and other judges. she was very welcoming to associate justice sotomayor when she joined began her judicial career on the southern district of new york and kimba wood and so many other judges. she always stayed in with her family and was helpful to her family. she reunions. she traveled back to nevis, which is where her parents had immigrated from in the early 20th century. and so she was just a very decent person. i think that it's important to said you convey to readers that this is a person of high achievement but she wasn't just that she. she also was just a terrific human. and i think it's important have examples of that combination and then in terms of what she might to us today. well, i. she might look around and se

and these are the best kind of lawyers, the lawyers who solve problems. so even in the big cases that he did, the big litigations, some of what he was best known for was actual the settlements he reached in the end, settlements that set the rules for entire industries or he was a person that in the end wanted to get things done and get things done in a way that satisfied as many parties as possible and wanted to solve problems and great model for lawyers and for young lawyers of the kind who are in the audience today. it is a real honor for me to be here. >> talking about what matters in how lawyers practice to ask you what inspired your interest in law and how that interest has evolved over the course of your profession which has provided you a variety of vantage points. justice kagan: the question of what inspired my interest in law. i went to law school before i knew the answer to that question. i was talking to a group of admitted students and i said something, which is a very standard thing for deans to say, don't come the law school if you don't kno

and it turns outgn that he had lied o to the lawyer, and so th lawyer was able to testify against him, through the crime fraud exception, she was granted immunity, and she testified about what paul manafort had said to her. irt can imagine a similar scenao here, where the lawyers are given immunity, and compelled to testify, andle a judge would ha to makest a finding that the crimes brought exception to the attorney-client privilege applies here, that they're using it as a shield to cover for a criminal t activity.im if that's the case, they would have a choice to make. they could testify, or if they said that trump is not involved, they themselves could find themselves as the defendants here. all of them e that tnd are charged in a conspiracy to obstruct justice. >> i mean to be trump's lawyer is b to find yourself crossing lines that you never thought you would. witness michael cohen, ty, pat cipollone and maybe christina bob and evan corcoran. >> thank you for your time, barbara mcquade, this evening. >>> we will be joined by one of the reporters breaking all kinds of news in the t

he is still a lawyer.e now know that team trump recognizes christina bobb is in trouble because they are no longer, according to our reporting at the washington post and my colleagues -- there are no longer going to have her representing donald trump on any motion. she is not going to be signing anything. and i think evan is going to be in that situation not too long from now. >> oh, to be a trump lawyer, which is what i said at the end of the last block. but it cannot be stated enough. it is amazing anybody wants to represent him at this point. and yet, the investigation continues. carol leonnig, national investigative reporter for the washington post, thank you for your time and wisdom and reporting on everything else. carol, it is great to see you. >> thank you, alex. >> breaking news out of alaska, where sarah palin -- yes, that sarah palin -- has just lost her bid for congress to a democrat. we will joined by political reporter mark leibovitz for more on that southern results and more republican react

look, i'm not a lawyer. i don't think judd is a lawyer.t we know bad stuff when we see it. and kidnapping of human beings and the utilizing of human beings for evil purposes, as political props, i think is in violation not just of our american spirit but of american laws. as judd said, these migrants did not come here illegally. they're following a legal process. the same legal process, by the way, joy, that my parents and grandparents and countless number of cubans and nicaraguans and venezuelans who came to this country under the promise of seeking sanctuary on these shores through the legal process of seeking asylum salt, which is also the republican policy for the last 60 years until now. >> yep. absolutely. and that's the challenge. there are a lot of venezuelans and cubans and folks who came and did that who are going to recognize themselves in these people who did as you said break no laws. don't take furnand off the screen for a moment because i have to do this. we hate to do this to folks and embarrass them on tv, but is my friend

one, at the time that the lawyers met with -- lawyers from the doj met with lawyers for trump, executivenot asserted, nor did they claim that there was some broad declassification order that was made with regard to those documents. and if you look at those documents, they're all marked as classified. and clearly they didn't say, this has recently been declassified or showing any indicia of that. with regard to statutes, they make no mention of classification. if you are wrongfully withholding, concealing, or removing documents, especially related to defense information, which is the case under the espionage act, that is a complete crime in and of itself. >> are you encouraged to hear this judge say that she may allow the intelligence community's damage assessment to continue even if the prosecutor's work is paused? >> that's right. i think that i would be concerned about that. i think that, you know, you need to have them simultaneously occurring. and i hope that they find a way to accommodate that. >> taking a step back here though, i mean, look, this is remarkable how much the justice

but here's the problem for lawyers.ow everybody in america thinks all politicians lie. they don't. donald trump, that's the main thing he did. he doesn't believe that telling the truth is a value. he thinks it's more important to lie when you need to, to hold on to power, and to get what you want, and to have everything look good for you. now, lawyers are taught that you can really get in trouble and use your -- lose your law license if you lie while doing your job as a lawyer, if you lie to the court, if you lie to law enforcement. so there is the rub. if you are going to represent a liar who doesn't think there is anything wrong with lying, then you have got to have a bright line that says, hey, i'm not going to lie for you. i am not going to lie for you. that's why i think the pleadings don't say a that he declassified the documents because these lawyers don't want to lie for him. so it will be interesting to see how this all turns out. now, the lawyers that were willing to lie for him, giuliani, has been disbarred,

donald trump's lawyer said, that is simply not true. the fbi is lying about that, and the trump lawyers, of course, offered no evidence to support their assertion, that the head of counter-intelligence at the fbi, lied to the judge in this case, under oath. we will, in a moment, get andrew weissmann's expert reading of this pleading, along with attorney mark zaid attorney ordination. for the moment, i will point out only one's stunningly childish passage. on page 50, in the trump lawyers quote the law accurately, saying that the archivist of the united states shall assume responsibility for the custody, control, and preservation of, and access to, the presidential records that president. and then, they think they have a winning point in the next line. when they say the law, quote, does not say that the archivist must assume custody and control of all materials the fall within the definition of the presidential records. so there are the trump lawyers, thinking that they have caught the wall rioters. thinking that they found the loophole.

who are hiring the lawyers.t's interesting to say, a russian nesting tall, where lawyers who have managed to avoid criminal or other investigations are now representing some of the lawyers who are now under investigation. from reporting and common sense, it's a little hard, for obvious reasons, for former president trump to -- the state. >> david, let's talk about the dynamics at doj which is something you've been reporting on. we now have these two seemingly separate inquiries. there is an investigation into the, you know, the unlawful retention of classified material, which was found in the ex presidents florida home. and the escalating, you know, investigation into that. then, there is the january six grand jury. i mean, those are presumably being won by entirely different sections of doj, but they have to make similar calculations about investigation of timing as we come near the election. what is your reporting suggest about how the department is looking at all of this? >> my sense is that the investigation

it is interesting lawyer wise today, tonight, it came out that one of his lawyers in new york filed an york case that she had personally searched mar-a-lago, jurors and all, night stands and everything, looking for the documents and in your case, five days before the subpoena came out from the department of justice for the confidential markets. so now, did new york lawyer has made herself a witness, which makes it impossible for her, frankly, to represent trump in new york. here, in this case, we have two lawyers that have a big problem. christina, whoever wrote it, and turned in and said that there are no more documents, that was a lie. there were plenty of documents. there were over 100 documents. so she's got a problem. either she knew what she was saying was a lie, and which point, she is a codefendant. and if she did not know, she is a witness. either way, she should not be representing trump. the same thing goes with kirkland. even though he did not sign the note, he confirmed to the department justice lawyers, who presumably -- he confirmed to the department of justice lawyers t

marlene's a lawyer. she's also the author of a book entitled "fair labor lawyer: the remarkable life of new deal attorney and supreme court advocate [inaudible]". she's currently working on her second book entitled "the history of the [inaudible], 1855 through 1946." for the last decade of her 30-year career, as a maryland's attorney general's office, from which she retired in 2013, she served as a special assistant to the attorney general and was responsible for enforcing consumer protection laws governing the marketing of tobacco and alcohol and internet safety. [inaudible]. -- has twice received the attorney general's exceptional service award. a phi beta kappa graduate and a member of the board of trustees in a college in maryland. she earned her law degree from george washington university and her mba from loyola university of maryland, where she has also taught law. she has received recognition and financing for research and grants for fellowships for the national endowment for the humanities, bran

marlene's a lawyer. she's also the author of a book entitled "fair labor lawyer: the remarkable life of new deal attorney and supreme court advocate [inaudible]". she's currently working on her second book entitled "the history of the [inaudible], 1855 through 1946." for the last decade of her 30-year career, as a maryland's attorney general's office, from which she retired in 2013, she served as a special assistant to the attorney general and was responsible for enforcing consumer protection laws governing the marketing of tobacco and alcohol and internet safety. [inaudible]. -- has twice received the attorney general's exceptional service award. a phi beta kappa graduate and a member of the board of trustees in a college in maryland. she earned her law degree from george washington university and her mba from loyola university of maryland, where she has also taught law. she has received recognition and financing for research and grants for fellowships for the national endowment for the humanities, bran

tell me more. >> the fact the lawyers aren't saying they were declassified, and the lawyers aren't saying fbi planted evidence, i think is very telling. there is new -- no evidence to support any of that. these are baseless claims donald trump uses because for him the best defense is a good offense. i was going on the offensive. the only reason we know about the surge is because donald trump made a public statement about it. if the justice department had their way, all this debate would have been done quietly. there is a real danger to these false and baseless claims. accusing the fbi of this gross misconduct. there are people out there who will take the bait. case in point, the man who went into the fbi field office in cincinnati, with a nail gun and an assault weapon. there are people out there who are irrational, unhinged. they will hear this as a call to action. >> charlie, senator mark warner, chairman of the senate intelligence committee, he was discussing national security in the fallout over trump's actions, this morning, on cbs. we want to take a listen. >> the vice chairman and

worse than just lawyer incompetence. what judge dearie's order did not review about the delay in hiring evander, was revealed tonight in a late filing in the case by the justice department, which says, quote, plaintive trump informed us this morning that none of the five document review vendors proposed by the government before last tuesday's preliminary conference where willing to be engaged by plaintive trump. so, none, of the five companies who specialize in this kind of work were willing to be hired by donald trump. none of them! it sounds like maybe they have heard something about donald trump's record on paying his bills. the justice department's filing went on to say that they give up. they just give up on the possibility that any such company in the country would ever be willing to be hired by donald trump. so the justice department informed the special master that they have decided to hire a company directly and guarantee payment to that company. the justice department filing said based on its prior experience a

no, not a lawyer. to several lawyers throughout the hour tonight will help us understand all the implications here but even as a lay person, it's very hard to read this document or not think the doj has donald trump dead to rights. rumpas andrew weissmann, who spt 20 years working the doj simply put it with the doj briefly -- trump's guilty. george conway's prominent conservative attorney and a former republican. he joins me now. first, let's start on that note. weisman's assessment and whether you share it. this is them saying, we have him, we can do this if you want. >> i share his assessment and i share your assessment. they have him dead to rights. this filing is the most recent explication of how badly with a bad situation he is in. it is absolutely no defenses that i can see. and i have yet to articulate a coherent defense. >> the meta context here is that they didn't have to do this, right? how do you understand the sort of message of this document, as well? there is the particulars of it, which

they were supposed to go to viktor kasatkin's assistant lawyer in a couple of weeks.er this will-expression, mikhail vasilenko suddenly departed into another world. what the neighbors found out quite by accident, i mean, a man came out there. he sasha died when he told me that he died. i told him, but he was already an absolutely healthy person, at that time an antique dealer was already in charge of the apartment. anatoly danilov and lawyer viktor kasatkin they were we are sure that the trick with the legacy was a success and slowly began to sell a unique collection of part of the collection is really sold. clear. to whom this rich muscovite was sold, a and in this case, from the point of view of law, there is no question, because he also bought food, as if a person from the book market he paid him the real price, after the police covered the dealer in stolen antiques a either because of danilov, by a court decision, a lawyer was already sent to the pre-trial detention center. kasatkin under house arrest in the apartment of the defendants in the criminal case on the

conservative lawyer. been seen before. the viciousness, the philosophy, the tactics that the use. i'll draw everyone's attention to an example in and around the pennsylvania -- after the 2020 election. john's day -- trying to stop this from being counted. not because they thought there was something improper underway. there was your evidence about that. but because they detected an opportunity to use the law to give their side a political edge. and the firms calculus, the consequences banning fears of fraud -- that would two months later erupted violent assault on democracy, those consequences were immaterial. they're practicing law in a way that not even the hallmark in a lot of the ways of the republican party in the conservative movement, but this seems like the origin story for some of that. >> i think that's exactly right. the origin story for johnston learned these tactics is that they for decades had -- rj are. i'm just going to these extraordinary lengths to not only win in court and protect their

lawyering. this is lawyering we have not seen before. the viciousness, the tactics they use. i will draw everybody's attention to a example around pennsylvania. after the 2020 election. jones day and his lawyers were trying to stop votes from being counted not because they thought there was something improper there was zero evidence but because they detected a opportunity to use the law to give their side a political edge. in the firm's calculus, the consequences spinning fears of fraud that would erupt two years later he reps in a assault on democracy. they are practicing law in a way that has now become the hallmark in a lot of ways of the republican party but this seems like the origin story for some of it. >> that is exactly right. the origin story for jones day learning these tactics is they for the decades mastered these skills representing is like rjr and going to the extraordinary lengths to not only be victorious in court and protect clients but steamrolled their opponents in ways that

and normally you think of lawyers. i had thought of lawyers as just chasing the almighty dollar., case they were chasing something else, which was power and prestige and really achieving these political ambitions. maybe ambitions that had been out of reach for republicans and the conservative movement for generations. jones day goes into power with trump. and at least once into july is gonna pile with trump. they achieve many of these ambitions that have been so elusive fertile. >> so now, still in power, many of them on the federal bench. where are they with relations donald trump? not sticking with him now. was there a notable rift? >> there was trump's longtime counsel, a senior partner at drones date. obviously had a very public falling out with the president. but the reality is that first, to jones state gets various legal fees from trump action committees and campaign committees. to this day still receive them. look there if you see filings. tens of hundreds of thousands of dollars boring. in the whole trumpists out there either running for office are either in office, many

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lawyers for donald trump and lawyers for the justice department squared off in federal court before judge eileen kenan who said she will issue her statement in due course. attorneys for the ex-president claim that, quote, both sides needed to turn down the temperature in this country, and then one of trump's attorney, jim trusty was dismissive of the entire probe comparing the documents seized to a, quote, overdue library book. attorneys for the justice department revealed that the process of analyzing the documents that were seized is still under way. they argued that a special master will delay that process and an attorney for doj shut down claims by trump's attorney that this was a case about records that belonged to trump saying that the documents were not his to have. for her part, judge kennan is at times inclined to order a review of documents into a a special master. quote, justice department attorneys repeatedly pleaded with cannon not to interrupt their ongoing criminal probe that the search warrant excused on august 8th was clearly valid and authorized to obtain evidence of thr

he is not huddle up in an office with his lawyers. there he was on a golf course, with presumably his homeboys. yet, no one seems to be playing golf. when you think about when you see this pick? >> you know, i think of a meeting outside the but of being clubbed myself. >> that is a sopranos reference, that is the fictional strip club in new jersey, from the television show the sopranos. >> and not only are they not playing golf it was reported that they did not even have their golf clubs in the cart. so, what were they doing, we are left to speculate. what you can't help to think is that they are getting together at a place where nobody can hear the. what they were talking about, maybe we will know someday if and these gentlemen to choose to share information with law enforcement. >> gophers may have learned a lot that. afternoon yamiche alcindor, joyce vance, glenn kirschner, bringing us the badabing club on this busy night. when we come back, election deniers on the ballot and dozens of states. we have surprising poll in georgia. jo

, or some supporter. >> new lawyer. >> new lawyers, old lawyers, any lawyers come out and explain why donald trump improperly took government documents, top secret documents, classified documents, from the white house, and took them out of the white house, a government facility, and you know, it is interesting, yesterday, mika, a fox news host who i think began in good faith who was saying let's talk about donald trump's documents, something along those lines. and karl rove, live long republican cut her off and said wait a second, let's be really clear about one thing. none of those documents are donald trump's documents. none of those documents are donald trump's documents. you cannot take, as karl rove said, again, republican strategist, you cannot take one document out of the white house or a government building if it's the government's document, and so there's absolutely no reason why he would have box after box after box of these documents, and then lie to the national archives and the fbi, saying oh, we returned all of the documents, when he hadn't come close to doing that. >> a

we do not know why trump's lawyers were there.eda of the washington post reports tonight, for a person familiar with the matter, they were there, president in their capacity, -- we are presenting the january 6th investigation. joining us now is ryan goodman, former special counsel at the permit events, kawhi didn't even have just security, and law professor at nyu. great to see you, professor. first of, all of ginni thomas willingly going to meet with the january 6th committee -- are you surprised? are you are shocked as i am? >> i am terribly shocked. >> you are totally shocked is different than my totally shocked. but tell me why. >> she signed a letter that said that to republican members of the committee should actually be thrown out of the republican caucus because she thought that the committee was so corrupt, in her view. so, so combative, so allergic to this committee, saying some really testy words about the committee. one would think that she would not come forward voluntarily. but she seems to have made that choice. >>

does she need her own lawyer? >> she needs to lawyer up. here is the thing about donald.ure, because i have seen him do it 100 times. he tells you, there's nothing there. i sent everything back. i just need a lawyer to sign this. she doesn't want to argue with the guy. it's donald trump, now former president. what did she do? she foolishly signed the document. now she's going to have to testify and explain exactly what she did in order to verify that these documents were no longer on the premises. she's going to have to turn around and say, i didn't, because donald told me. she has a right to rely upon her client's statement, but not when it's donald trump. the guy lies the way people breathe. she should have known that. she should have seen, not just -- it's not just her. look at eastman. you have corcoran, rudy, myself, powell, there's a plethora of lawyers that have all gone down or are going down or need to lawyer up simply because they did donald trump's bidding. >> you have said, i felt it was my duty to cover up his deeds rather than listen to my own inner voice. w

that argument is never been made by trump's lawyers. and today a skeptical sounding judge dearie pushed team trump to describe exactly which documents trump allegedly declassified. after their decline to do so, that's one theory told them, quote, you can't have your cake and eat it too. in other words, you cannot argue trump had the authority to declassify items without saying what he actually did. former mueller investigation team member and an msnbc contributor andrew weissmann was in the courtroom earlier today. he says judge dearie was in no mood to give trump's lawyers the benefit of the doubt. >> if you don't present any evidence to me, trump, then i am left with the record that i have. i have evidence that these documents are declassified classified. if you decide for whatever reason you don't want to present any evidence, that's fine. you don't have to. but he then went ahead and say said, in this case becomes very easy. and i think that just means he is signaling, i will then have a record in front of me where there is no dispu

i am the lawyer not only of svyatoslav lytynskyi but also of oleg yanitskyi.h that took place on august 31. and accordingly, i somehow observe the trends of thanks to journalists, starting with the fact that i had the honor of seeing journalists after leaving each search there were people who were expected for a long, long time, and it seems to me that coverage, objective coverage, in such cases is excessive. well, it is very important, so i thank you, and i would also like to thank all the people who came to support and the deputies of all levels who these are the ones who offer help who work in the studio i have to tell you that i can't hear myself in your studio maybe there is some technical problem maybe we can hear you all right ok so now about the case a little differently ms. yaroslavia who is my client a little later than seven o'clock in the morning, she was shown this decision, but it was not fully read out loud , that is, i understand that the wife is to understand what is really happening, who came to her and what they came for, and she was not giv

who is paying for the lawyers? does it go back to all this money that trump himself has raised perhaps under false pretenses to raise money for the defense? >> i don't even know if that's the question. i think the question is who are the lawyers. because as we've seen, as trump has become increasingly toxic to many people in this country, lawyers are shying a way from not just representing him but representing other folks related to january 6th and people that advised the president. so, where are they finding these lawyers? because i think that a lot of lawyers, people on the left that really believe in being defense lawyers and probably defended very violent criminals over the years, look at this issue differently than they have in the past in terms of representing people. and some lawyers that i've talked to have said january 6th defendants reached out to me or trump aides reached out to me and they were looking for a lawyer, and i wasn't going to represent them. so, where are the lawyers and who are these -- i m

joining us now is litigation director for lawyers for civil rights.some of the people who are now suing governor desantis in a federal class action lawsuit. thank you very much for joining us tonight. one of the things that struck me about this from the start is this fake phony plan flip that they gave these people, telling that they would be taken care of, there would be jobs, there will be food, support for them in every way. and that is at a place that really closes down, just about completely closes down by labor day, because it is a summer resort. the population disappears there, the jobs disappear there, and ron desantis knows that. just as there is seasonal work in florida, there is seasonal work, and seasonal opportunity and martha's vineyard. he was sending them precisely at the moment where all of the opportunity disappears. what is your a lawsuit alleging, and what does it hope to achieve? >> well, what our lawsuit alleges is that there was a concerted scheme of misrepresentation, which induced our clients to lie. as you pointed out, this i

what exactly are trump's lawyers arguing here? >> because it's secret right now, we don't know exactly what they're going to be arguing, but it is a fight that is before a judge in the federal court in d.c. it is because there are grand jury proceedings where they're trying to get information close to trump, things that happened in the white house, say, on january 6th or before them, maybe things that attorneys were advising him or that he was saying to lawyers around him who were working with him or talking to him about his wish to overturn the election. and generally when you're looking at something like this, what we know, what evan and i and zach cohen have been able to confirm here is this is a fight over privilege. when we say that, that means that donald trump could be arguing a lot of different things trying to protect the information around him. he could be arguing executive privilege, attorney/client privilege and what that is generally is throwing up roadblocks for investigators so that they're going to have to go to co

i should note here, tom fit in is not a lawyer. he's just a dude with big money wrangling donors, i guess. but he has been giving donald trump a lot of legal advice that the ex president is actually listening to. since as early as february, fitton has reportedly called trump, telling him that it was a mistake to take the records from mar-a-lago it was national accruals, that the team should never avalon him to return them. fitton said the records belonged to trump, setting a 2012 court case involving his organization that said the former president to do what he wanted with records from his own chairman office. he suggested that if the archives came back, he should not give up any additional records. trump, quote, began obsessing over fitton's arguments, complaining to aids about the 15 boxes that were handed over, even ask fitton at one point to brief his attorneys. [laughs] i am sure that they love that one. as one person close to the ex president put a, quote, the moment tom got in the bosses ear, it was downhill from there. it's

not good for a lawyer to do.n speaking out about a book of what were donald trump's demands to do political prosecutions out of sdny. give us your views on that. >> first of all, what he was asked to do is outrageous. asked to create a case on this fellow greg craig who was in the obama administration. investigated and concluded the guy was innocent. what did donald trump do and his justice department do? took it down to the district of columbia u.s. attorney's office and indicted on it, and of course what happened was just as jeff berman had decided, this guy was acquitted, you know, in a few hours. i mean, there was no case there. i mean, all of it, if you had to compare it to anything in watergate, it was like how the nixon administration tried to use the internal revenue service to go after his enemies after larry o'brien, a bunch of democrats, and kind of like jeffrey berman, what was interesting was it was the people there, the civil servants, the people who had the ability to say, no, i'm not going to do i