i think we're getting too lawyeristic. i like your language but -- >> i'll finish. in my mind cost is absolutely one of the factors, which means whatever this is going to cost, looking at the officers here now, we have a limited budget. we're going to have to dede-side as a city, if we're spending money, we're not going to spend it on something else. there are many things we wanted but i'm not going through them. >> commissioner? >> i just still like the clarity of what -- when -- what is the time frame you put on and what's going to happen in that time frame? >> again, i think 30 days is too ambitious but i leave it up to the commission what time that would be. but that they would come back recommendations together with the chief on what weapon we should consider on a pilot program together with specific proposed guidelines and policies for the use of that weapon. >> where does the community fit in in this 30 days? >> in that longer period of time, i think commissioner slaughter is correct, 30 days is too tight. >> it was my idea for the 30 days, i think it is kind