high school students, students and college, laypeople, judges, lawyers, young, older, and so it has been extremely wonderful to travel around the country talk to to people about thurgood marshall. who, in terms of history have seen somewhat lost. he he is not as well-known as some of the other iconic figures from the 30s, 40s, 50s, and 60s and i hope this book revises the legacy thurgood marshall. >> what you think his hearing lasted as long as it did? >> well, there were efforts by the southern senators who questioned marshall's grandma type. they question his smarts. how much is going on in the country at that time, there is anti- vietnam protests, the riot and it's right that broke out on the last day of marshall's hearing. there is a lot of racial unrest. some of them tried to link that racial unrest to all of the victories that thurgood marshall had one. so you had a real combustion of philosophy, marshall philosophies versus southern philosophy which had been to keep the voting rolls down for blacks. so you had lyndon johnson finally made it into the oval office in 1963. that was f

high school students, students and college, laypeople, judges, lawyers, young, older. it has been extremely wonderful to travel around the country and talk to people about thurgood marshall, who in terms of history have seem somewhat lost. he is not as well-known as some of the other iconic figures from the thirties,'s forties, fifties,'s and sixties., and 60s. i think you should be. i hope this book revised the legacy of thurgood marshall. >> host: why do you think his hearing lasted as long as it did? >> guest: well, there were efforts by the southern senators to question marshall's grandma tie. the question is the march. so much is going on in the country at the time. there is anti- vietnam protests, the riot in detroit that broke out on the left at marshall's hearing, there was a lot of racial unrest. some of the southern senators tried to link that racial unrest to all of the victories that thurgood marshall had one. so you had a real combustion of philosophies, marshall's philosophies versus southern philosophy which had been to keep the voting rolls down for bla

it is called, "lawful warfare, how laypeople view good policing." before goal is promotion of public trust, then we have to recognize while both police effectiveness and police lawfulness are both relevant neither alone is sufficient. , i think the public safety narrative lost its way when many of its major advocates began to argue that police effectiveness at crime reduction has become self-justifying. that police effectiveness at crime reduction is a warrant for itself. it is not. we need a new narrative and i decided to emphasize the word "security" as opposed to safety. there may be a better phrase, maybe you do not like security, but here is the primary point -- we need a mission statement for policing that recognizes that people desire to be kept safe from each other, security crime, as well as free from government repression. that pursuit of both at the same time is not a zero-sum game. how to achieve both? i think the answer is fairly clear, or part of the answer, and that is with and through a commitment to policing that makes legitimacy an

that the blacks are a race of people that cannot of africa and agents americans cannot of asia and laypeople lough kim bravura. and increasingly has been taken latinas originated in the past 50 years or so. i don't know. [laughter] it just happened. they became another race. if they could get along then that is the problem it is the notion that race is that parents because they cannot get along. but that is not how history works. there is no coherent definition of race whether white or black that you can man tate -- maintain. i am considered as a black person. if i were in louisiana in 1750 i would not be considered that. if i was in brazil i may check another blocked in south africa i may check colored we do when irish people came to this country or released they were viewed as very degrees of white. rigo there was a political process with these groups of people that became white but it was a bad it was okay with their rival. even different races by which i read some have darker skin hailing from sub-saharan africa because interaction of their skin but throughout history that always is of t

that the blacks are a race of people that cannot of africa and agents americans cannot of asia and laypeople lough kim bravura. and increasingly has been taken latinas originated in the past 50 years or so. i don't know. [laughter] it just happened. they became another race. if they could get along then that is the problem it is the notion that race is that parents because they cannot get along. but that is not how history works. there is no coherent definition of race whether white or black that you can man tate -- maintain. i am considered as a black person. if i were in louisiana in 1750 i would not be considered that. if i was in brazil i may check another blocked in south africa i may check colored we do when irish people came to this country or released they were viewed as very degrees of white. rigo there was a political process with these groups of people that became white but it was a bad it was okay with their rival. even different races by which i read some have darker skin hailing from sub-saharan africa because interaction of their skin but throughout history that always is of t

lots of laypeople there hearing the case.eople hear these cases all the time and make life-and-death decisions who don't have expertise in a given area that the case happens to be focused on. do you agree with this? >> i think the fsoc -- >> i think you do. let me continue. it appears to me, mr. woodall, that the indication of only a person with expertise in a given area should be able to judge would lend itself to asking at least one question. have you made any decisions with reference to banks since you've been on the fsoc? >> banking regulators are the ones that do that. >> but have you voted on anything related to banks? have you had a vote since you've been there on anything related to banks? >> not as such. >> not as such. well, i don't have the time to drill down with that, mr. woodall. there is a way to get to the "not as such" answer, but i don't care to do it now. so you have voted as such on some things related to banks? >> well, obviously, we're getting financial market utilities -- >> i understand. so you have no