>> just as a layperson and without violating anything, your overall impressions -- can you say anything about what you're finding about how the public views him? >> well, i think it's clear to say -- and every poll has shown this -- people reject and revile the kind of polarization we're seeing. they want nonpartisan decisionmaking, outsiders from washington, and, certainly, on the most straightforward level, mike bloomberg has produced results, and he is not part of know, lobbyist group in washington. he's the opposite. only mike bloomberg -- and, again, he's the rational trump, i.e. he can come up with real solutions that are not vitriolic, that are regionally placed, and that can get the voters. i mean, it's very serious. the argument, the problem in the midwest among large numbers of people where trump should normally do well is their changing economy. mike bloomberg knows something about that. i mean, there are real things he can say. the others are talking fluff. if he gets in there, he can do something really extraordinary -- if he gets in. >> so, let's talk about one the other e