lazar and it says, mr. lazar i'm not requesting any documents but i would like an answer to the following questions. do you see that? is that an accurate statement? >> yes. this is what i said. this is my e-mail that i was asking for public information because i didn't know whether he had any documents at that time. i didn't know whether or not there was anything that had transpired between the hayes valley merchants and the arts commission and i just wanted to know if something had gone on, if something had gone on between the two of them i would have requested further documents and i got no response to this at all. >> i guess i'm having a hard time interpreting this as a request for any documents that exist if you start off by saying you are not requesting any documents? >> i upside that. understand that. i wasn't asking for documents that i knew existed. i was asking for information contained in any documents that might exist at the time. because i assume they exist because i was told this was going to h

respondent lazar. i see mr. lazar and mr. clark. mr. lazar you bare the bear the burden. you have five minutes. thank you for your patience. >> good evening commissioners. i'm howard lazar director of the street lighting program and doing this for four-and-a-half years. anyway, i will take this, when i came here this evening, i handed out this portfolio to each of you so you can follow it with me please. i'm going to address each of the sunshine task force charges against me. the first charge is 67.21 b for failure to release information to mr. clark within ten days of receiving the public records request. i hardly agreed and at the task force hearing of july 26 and august 23 of 2011 my argument was to the task force members in a statement i have written and was read by a representative. in the statement i said "we state that the clarks are correct. do you to the oversight we did not respond to the question. we drafted a reprivate. we apologize for their error and wish to take this opportunity now to convey our response to the clark's questions. i did furnish those respon

lazar has met his burden? >> i'm sorry. he has not met his burden on 67.22 b. " " >> both. 21 and 22. >> 67.21 b appears to refer to a custodian of the public record. and i think that's a document, isn't it? it doesn't sound like there were any documents. so if he's not requesting documents, but he said he's requesting information could mr. lazar be liable for failure to provide a record? >> i don't believe so. 67.21 b specifically address the situations where the custodian has received a request for inspection or copy of a public record. >> right. >> yeah. 67.21 b relies on e. >> i don't think 67.21 e was warranted either. >> which one, it doesn't track 22 b? >> which one? >> 21 e you are saying depends only on -- >> yes. it says the custodian refuse to comply with b above. >> yeah, 67.22 seems completely different. >> for the record i would say although -- i would say it wasn't willful because he relied on the city attorney but that it pertains to document can ustodian, thissen then that maybe moved. >> if what only appli

lazar that he did not violate 67.22 b. but that we did not find that he violated 67.21 b or 67.21 e or that there was a pattern of practice of inadequate responses or willfulness. >> i'm completely with commissioner raenie with 67.22 b. and i think i come to the same result on the other three but i'm wondering what is the best way for to us reflect it. on the first two, i think we are not saying that he prevailed in overcoming the presumption. i think we are saying they don't seem to apply at all i think the difference might matter if other people are thinking, what does it take to overcome and burden or sunshine to know what applies or not. just a thought. i'm just offering that up. we can do those two and as for 67.34 i don't think he overcame a presumption by demonstration there was no pattern in practice that sunshine did not in fact carry it's burden to build that presumption, not that he overcame it. >> i think that was what commissioner was saying. >> yeah. they didn't -- the construct that he could kick over. >> ri

takas and john lazar good afternoon. good afternoon sir and thank you -- for letting us express ourselves i just want to add the same thing i'm supporting my colleague here i'm a cab driver with yellow and actually a left turn for taxis should be allowed since it is you know we don't need to make people run away from taxis anymore. >> thank you, sir. next speaker please. >> mr. kantakas followed by john lazar and -- >> hi ladies and gentlemen. nice to be here. i have been here 29 years never take a vacation never been to my country. i drive a -- [inaudible] so i saw my friend in 2012 he said to me going to mta you pickup -- i meet them i said to him sir i never put my name on the list i never signed up anything could i apply for the senior permit he said yes you qualify. sure? yes you qualify. if you put your name on the list you qualify. so i said to him sir, i come back september 28 from greece so the first appointment happened 2012 and they said to me when i come back they said to me just a minute -- what happened he

lazar working at the library was a have access to a three the printer was a lot of fun because i caneriment on my own and learn a lot about preprinting in general. >> says. well, thank you for talking about it. i cannot wait to see it when it's done. [applause] >> any more questions? >> i have read about some other companies that a developing a 3d chips. are there any particular companies that are particularly involved in 3-d chips? all more prominently -- >> well, i noted -- and not sure what you're referring to, but i noted there are a lot of companies right now developing in mercers' 3d technology so they you can, you know, for example, control your computer or your television without a mouse. it's all just reoriented. and there are actually a number -- i know that -- can remember the name of the company. as a small company of his partner with basis. the first laptops are coming later this year, i think. they're going to have -- it's all going to be a gesture based. and so -- and another there is a plug in product that you can actually buy a best buy this month, think, that does t