say hey, they were in recess, there's no risk to these appointments, there could be risk to the ldecember 23rd. let's say the court says they are not in recess on the 23rd and they were in recess on the 24th for purposes, then nothing happens, all we have had is a lot of litigation for a period of time. what if it doesn't happen, this committee came together to ask all of you and our first witness about what if, and i'll start with mr. carter and sort of go from right to left this time. what if in fact we find that these appointments, one or more of them would be considered to be inappropriate and we assume it's all of them or none of them. what is the risk to the actions of the nlrb and these individuals, three individuals, both parties and obviously the lesser actions specifically of the new director? >> are mr. chairman, there are, that's the greatest danger here, it is volume of risk. the volume of risk is expansive, unlike the situation that congressman davis was describing, which is, well, every bit of litigation is subject to appeal, right? i mean, so what is the difference? what w