. >> what about call leachate mohammad? said about whether or not he was the only person whether or not that produces information? what is your view? >> 55 but hundreds if not thousands. so was not water boarding that made them talk but at the end of the day having said that to get him before and after this was totally define and. -- define and. of the patriotic democrat so including this began that it does not work that way. and i cannot imagine why did not revise from those 100 + detainee's. but now with the easing of what you find them hellfire. with uh pakistan importer -- pakistan me border that is beautiful technologically more than has ever been before and we have killed a lot of people but we cannot get information from them if we cannot sometimes used enhanced interrogation. but on the side of the spectrum. then they can get any information. >> we have made it so difficult and politically dangerous that they just fall to the kill option. then we have your successor and then if you have the chance said just look at