this week former "wall street journal" reporter leah goodman covers the behind the scenes world of theew york mercantile change and its evolution into an competitive market at the height of sky marketing prices and she talks with a new york reporter jerry dicolo. >> we're here with leah goodman, the author of "the aslightliam" the renegades who highjack the world's oil

. >> now back to "after words" with leah mcgrath goodman, author of "the asylum." >> host: so before the break we're talking a little bit about vinnie, the former chairman, and also 3g schaefer who was the one that put together a lot of the deals that to nymex from a partnership of something known by the members to a public company and then part of the much larger cme group it if you talk a little bit about him and that process and where we are today. >> guest: richie schaeffer, he really paid his dues from being a traitor to moving up through a number of different positions on the exchange from the different committees, he was treasurer, vice chairman. and i think he knew all along he really would like to be chairman and the deathly new he was training very well. and one thing that is very good at is getting things done without making it personal at all. i think his political power came from the fact that even when he crushed someone it was always sort of the attitude of i've got to do this, okay, so you are out. but never you're out and i'm enjoying doing this to you. he almost had