they handed it to leah thomas. she didn't get a trophy.e asked the ncaa why, she said they were not prepared to answer that question. i believe she said this was just -- came down to picture purposes. what they said. picture purposes. think of that happening to collegiate young women. what are we doing and why is nobody in greater numbers not standing up for girls trying to fight for what they see and believe as the right thing to do. >> jesse: greg gutfield. >> greg: well, i am. sometimes i think evil presents itself as absurdity. in this case, you have a young successful woman being attacked by an older man on behalf of other men who claim that they are women while keeping their genitals intact. then when you dare as a woman, successful female athlete ask to debate, they say that you're the bad person because you are creating harm and a threat to trans kids. probably the most cowardly defense, cowardly point, to hide behind children you can't even count or name, you're talking to the tiniest, tiny percentage, it is not own 1.4, you're be

i know that i does speak for every single person who computed against leah thomas but i know i speak for many because i saw the tears. i saw that years from the night in 17th place finishers the missed out on being named an all-american by one place and i can attest to the extreme discomfort in the locker room from these 18 to 18 to 22d girls when you turn around and there's male eyes watching in that same room and i can attest to the whispers and the grumbles of anger and frustration from these girls are just like my stuff at work our entire lives to get to this meet. and i can attest to the fact that around the country these cmo athlete who oppose the inclusion of leah thomas in women's divisions were threatened, intimidate and emotionally blackmailed into silence and submission. but, unfortunately, our experiences are not unique. the number female athletes have been denied opportunities, traumatized or hurt by policies that claim to vote inclusion is going at an alarming rate. i hear these female athletes and their parents. i hear from these people are seriously injured. one with

>> absolutely no if i agree leah thomas is following rules and i have no problem with leah thomas. do believe there's a bit of selfishness and narcissism and entitlement surrounding this person in regards to the utter drartd that thomas displayed for us in the situations. but i have no animosity towards thomas my problem is the ncaa and biden administration pushing title b 29 and that's why it is political for me because legislation is the way you curb these things. i can't believe it's come to this and i have no hate even protesters who mobbed me. the first thing that i did was prayed for them. i saw the soullessness vengeance? their eyes and they do it in love and welcoming and embracing diversity but they do not embrace myy diverse thought that's what it hate looks like nothing in my heart is hateful. >> whowb the ncaa did the ncaa embrace your diversity tell me what -- what attempts that the ncaa made to accommodate you and other female swimmers who felt uncomfortable sharingal an open locker room with biological male. >> nothing. >> they actually made us feel guilty for feelin

a teammate of leah thomas at upen n said the university effectively silenced her and her teammates inpeaking out against leah's position on the team. listen to this. >> i thought maybe this won't continue to happen in other sports and maybe swim asking the exception. this has blown up. every women sport has been blown up by biological males competing on the women's team and i decide it's okay if i get hate and i won't be scared because i need to use my voice and encourage other women to speak out against unfair competition. ashley: that's a pretty damming statement, martha. what do you make of being accused of scaring the swim team silent on leah thomas issue? >> i think it's horrible. when you read what these swimmers felt after this meeting and said keep your mouth shut or it will not go well for you. you're going to let this swimmer who is a biological male beat all of you in the pool and you're not going to say a word about it. now, how is that a message of sort of free speech and teaching people about being able to voice their own arguments and environments in the university and

at the same time, during women's month, you can remember, they did a tribute for leah thomas.>> trace: yeah, you'd think that espn would at least say listen, you know, we don't share her opinion. her opinion is a fact. if she wants to built up that fact, it's fine with us. >> trace: yeah, there should at least be this space to have a healthy debate about it. i know for a fact since's been more outspoken, i've had more former colleagues of mine message me quietly saying thank you so much for being the voice we don't have. this is an issue that needs to be talked about and we unfortunately are not in a position to do so. >> yeah, i want to put this up. this is a sound bite from sonny hostin from "the view." watch. >> this is just being used as a culture war. only 1.6% of american adults are now transgender or nonbinary. 1.6%. why do you choose that group to attack? >> trace: nobody is attacking that group. she's not paying attention. that's the whole concept of this. >> it's interesting. she's right. it is a very small amount of athletes that are going down this road. they're th

, people like leah thomas, they peht— people like leah thomas, they petht-ewh— people like leah thomasthy of fair sport? vee— athletes worthy of fair sport? hee hee— athletes worthy of fair sport? yes yes, exactly. _ athletes worthy of fair sport? yes yes, exactly. but one of the most shocking and pressing things about this is number one, the personal incoming on you . i the personal incoming on you. i mean, a bit like jk rowling , you mean, a bit like jk rowling, you have been called a transphobe. you have been called a bigot . you have been called a bigot. you have been called a bigot. you have been called a bigot. you have been called to discriminatory. i mean, that's astonishing. so let's tackle that number and a racist, you know, which i find fascinating considering i've got mixed children, race kids. you children, mixed race kids. you know, it's a way of this“ you know, it's a way of closing down eetete.— know, it's a way of closing down debate, though. _ know, it's a way of closing down debate, though. i'm not even ew—eyew - debate, though. i'm not eveni ew—eyew they sure if the

, people like leah thomas, they peht— people like leah thomas, they petht-ewh— people like leah thomasort? vee— athletes worthy of fair sport? hee hee— athletes worthy of fair sport? yes yes, exactly. _ athletes worthy of fair sport? yes yes, exactly. but one of the most shocking and pressing things about this is number one, the personal incoming on you . i the personal incoming on you. i mean, a bit like jk rowling , you mean, a bit like jk rowling, you have been called a transphobe. you have been called a bigot . you have been called a bigot. you have been called a bigot. you have been called a bigot. you have been called to discriminatory. i mean, that's astonishing. so let's tackle that number and a racist, you know, which i find fascinating considering i've got mixed children, race kids. you children, mixed race kids. you know, it's a way of .c”i;“ you know, it's a way of closing down eetete.— know, it's a way of closing down debate, though. _ know, it's a way of closing down debate, though. i'm not even eweew—w - debate, though. i'm not eveni eweew—w they sure if they attack you.

was will inonoo— mean, leah thomas was will inonoo inon — mean, leah thomas was will thomas from 2017muscle mass and the get the male muscle mass and the frame, and it would be wrong to ban them, i would but ban them, i would think. but this an individual this is almost an individual case. clear , wrong for some case. it's clear, wrong for some people who have got the muscle mass and the frame of a man to be swimming women. it be swimming with women. but it would improper in other would be improper in other cases. but what do you think, wigoio — cases. but what do you think, wigoio woik— cases. but what do you think, nigel? well, i— cases. but what do you think, nigel? well, i do— 2 but what do you think, nigel? �*vwiicc 22 “<< 2 but what do you think, nigel? 22 nigel? well, i do think that as you legislation you make it, as legislation makes it easier and we've seen what's been going on in scotland for people to transition different things will crop up about how you deal with it . so about how you deal with it. so women only spaces as an example, and women's sport. so cycling and wom

ythingdoi want to get your reacl to what leah thomas said on a podcast just a few weeks they' back . >> watch this. they're like, oh, we respectt leah as a woman, as a transever woman or whatever . we respect our identity. wet think it's fair. you can't really have that that sort of half support their using the guise of feminism to sort of pushsort o transphobia beliefs. >> paulaob.ic are you using feminism just to hide the fact that you and all your teammates who objected to this are really trans phobic ?y no. and frankly, before any of this happened, i would never actually have considered myself a feminist. i just thought thatlf a i understood basic feminist. biological realities and ibelied believe in the truth. and i never thought any of thatf would be considered trans phobic or feminism orra non feminism. nsphobso i know.no. >> l >> well, and the odd thingt about this is that there are so many liberals out there who spent most of their liveeirs advocating very passionately for women's rights. e wome and yet this is the area where n women finally have many platforms to succeed, ma

. >> a teammate of leah thomas has a lot to say about how all of this went down. >> and we have a fishry for you.we will see you in a few minutes. >> as we commemorate juneteenth one army vet is reacting to suggestions that it's a holiday. black americans don't have to choose between juneteenth and july 4. >> there's been no changes in our official policy that discriminate against black americans, people of color, nothing. what has changed, we have a promotion of a woke america on systemic racism.we have generations of children as they graduate from high school and college that have learned all the sins of our nation and very few of its virtues and it's been deliberate. >> he is referencing politicians, in particular cory bush who says celebrate juneteenth not july 4 and ben watson former nfl football player joins us. what do you make of this? should black americans be choosing between these holidays? >> i have never seen a choice. i have celebrated juneteenth with my family for most of my life and this conversation reminds me of frederick douglass and that speech that is so famous and

former swim are reilly gains detailed the situation of having to change in front of transswirl leah thomastch this. >> the ncaa embrace your diversity. tell me what attempts the ncaa made to accommodate and you other female swimmers felt uncomfortable sharing an open locker room with a biological male >> nothing. they made us feel guilty feeling we wereup comfortable. that's when we saw. there wasave group of girls who undressed in the janitor's closet because they felt more comfortable undress nothing this environment than next to someone with male gaze. were they doing that because they were transphobic? >> they did it because they felt violated. called out meaghan and other family athletes failing to protect women's sports >>. they are done play and don't have daughters to defend it is virtue significant falling they want to be seen as kind and inclusive but they know in their hearts every person knows they would not had the opportunity and success they had without the women's category they achieve head they achieve anded accomplished when they wanted they don't care they would give gir

the fact that feminists have allowed a world to be created where someone like leah thomas can be a woman woman who identifies as a man and suddenly ends up becoming the man of the year. women i think are being taken advantage of here and there needs to be more women speaking out in favor of woman athletics because it is truly a right or wrong issue. many are on wrong side. >> i like that shirt. >> ready for 4th of july, ainslie. >> coming up, go to his website and you will see what's clicking. >> carly, hey, carly. >> it is a popsicle shirt. star of the show. >> i know, it is a cool shirt. >> stunning video shows a texas agent rescuing ten migrant children. they were found at the rio grande today at scorching 115 heat. it will be reviewed by two committees. >> ufc dana white says elon is dead serious of squaring off in the octagon. the billionaires traded jabs with musk floating vegas as a location for a cage match. whoa! ainsley, back to you. >> thank you, carly. >> stay right there because tyler farr is going to perform his hit song "red necks like me." >> i am excited for tyler farr b

you competed against leah thomas. what happens. can you tell us?me on the show. i appreciate it. i can tell you about the ivy league. my team, she won pretty much everything she swam and at the time we were advised to stay quiet and focus on our own races, focus on winning our own championship and in reflection this was out of line, thomas had the biological advantage in every race she competed in. stuart: trying to paraphrase what's going on here. those biden want to force women to compete with transgender athletes? is that where we are? >> yes. i think the biden administration is trying to have their civil rights moment, trying to make this of their civil rights activism purpose. they are doing that by disseminating against within. i spoke for the moms for america press conference and explained a brief and powerful anecdote regarding my experience as a female athlete and interesting watching the biden administration push aside these narratives from female athletes. others we are seeing now all over the country. they clearly are not protecting wom

listen to how riley gaines describes competing against leah thomas. >> by allowing thomas to displaceium the ncaa intentionally and explicitly discriminated on the basis of sex. although the ncaa claimed it acted in the name of inclusion its policies excluded title ix was passed to protect. in addition to being forced to give up our awards and titles and opportunities, the ncaa forced me and my female swimmers to share a locker room with thomas. a 6-foot 422-year-old male equipped with and exposing male genitalia. let me be clear about this. we were not forewarned we would be sharing a locker room. no one asked for our consent and we did not give our consent. and i will set the scene a locker room is not a place of modesty. undressing and fully exposed and forced to take off our swimsuit in front of a man doing the exact same thing. if nothing else, i truly hope how you can see this as a violation of our right to privacy and how some of us have felt uncomfortable, embarrassed and even traumatized by this experience. senator durbin, in your opening statement, you had mentioned that wha

delivering powerful speech tearfully giving her experience competing against transgender swimmer leah thomas. >> no one asked for our consent and we did not give our consent. >> matt sharp also testified alongside gains and joins us live right after this. ♪ what do we always say, son? liberty mutual customizes your car insurance... so you only pay for what you need. that's my boy. ♪ stay off the freeways! only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ we know patients are more than their disease. that's why, at novo nordisk, we've spent a hundred years developing treatments to help unlock humanity's full potential. these are the greats: people living with, thriving with — not held back by — disease. they motivate us to fight diabetes and obesity, rare diseases and cardiovascular conditions, for generations to come. so, everyone can meet their moment. because your disease doesn't define you. so, what will? novo nordisk. driving change. ahhh! icy hot pro starts working instantly. with two max-strength pain relievers, so you can rise from pain like a pro. icy hot pro. the p

secondly, we also found out recently that leah thomas was supposed to be given a respirate area to changent of a man and to see riley breaking down on the senate floor. i have talked to riley. she's so strong. she has carried so much weight on her shoulder and forced to lead the way for women who haven't found the voice to speak the truth. i can only imagine the trauma she's experienced and probably will link weather her rest of her life. >> you have a long career in sports media. is there any admission these issues are basics commends like let's stands for women's sports. colin kaepernick speaks out and is hailtd but trevor williams speaks out we will punish him. is there admission or acknowledgement this is nuts? >> i think there's a lot of acknowledgement. people are afraid to speak out because we have seen what happened to women who decided to speak their truth including a couple people from espn some athletes who experience it firsthand called big on thes hate fultd and psychologically unstable so a lot needs to be done but the only good news the title 9 regulations now being pushed

anybody that can recall the image of her standing next to leah thomas understands what she says aboutthat she has brought forth and why she's not discriminating against anybody. she's sticking up for her own rights in her own sport. senator kennedy, always good to see you. >> thank you. >> martha: so the malibu home of james bond star pierce brosnan reportedly broken into and the story takes a weird turn. ♪ introducing the all-new 2024 chevy trax. ♪ ♪ helps you stay connected, ♪ safe ♪ and charged. ♪ the all-new chevy trax starting at $21,495. the possibilities are endless. [city ambience sounds] [car screech] [car door slam] [camera shutter sfx] introducing ned's plaque psoriasis. [camera shutter sfx] he thinks his flaky, red patches are all people see. otezla is the #1 prescribed pill to treat plaque psoriasis. [ned?] it can help you get clearer skin and reduce itching and flaking. with no routine blood tests required. doctors have been prescribing it for nearly a decade. otezla is also approved to treat psoriatic arthritis. don't use otezla if you're allergic to it. serious allergi

a former teammate of transgender swimmer leah thomas is going after their former university, u-penn.penn shut down criticism back in 2020 the, paula scanlon is that teammate, and paula joins me now in new york. a take me through the story, please, paula. what happened at u-penn? >> yeah. so our university actually didn't really have any conversations with us at all about our concern cans with the situation happening -- concerns with the situation happening and once it was already a media storm and thomas was already breaking all these records, that's when they came in and told us please don't talk to the media, this is nonnegotiable, and they provided us with counseling services if we objected. stuart: so you weren't supposed to say anything at all. was this a face to face meeting? somebody said absolute quiet, please? >> yep. they brought in a whole panel of individuals, someone from the lgbt center, psychological services and a bunch of people from the athletic department. stuart: then what happened? lia thomas was on the team? >> yeah. this was halfway through the season was the f

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swimmer rile are reilly detailed the uns situation of having to changitu wa front of trans swimmer leah thomas. >> watch this. >>did the ncaa embrace your diversity? tell me. tell me what? attempts that the ncaa made to accommodate you and other female swimmers who feltyo ope uncomfortable sharing an open locker roon m with a biological male? >> nothing. they actually mademale us feele guilty for feeling as if we were uncomfortable. timeli and time again, that's o what we saw. there was even a group of girls who are undress in the janitor's closet. they change clothes in the janitor'et bs because they t more comfortable undressing in that environment than they did undressingcodres to someone witm gaze. >> and were they doing that because they were transphobeeon they were doing it because>> they were violated. yeah. there you go the. great stuff there. she followed these comments up vi calling out megan rapinoe and other female athletes for failing to protect women's sports. >> watch family athlete this. d >> of course, they're done playing. of course, they don't have daughter haves defend. it'

secondly, we also found outly recently that leah thomas was supposed to be given a separatl area to changein, and then a suddenly next thing these girlsn knew, they were just forced to be undressing next to a man and there was nothing they could possibly do about ito . and to see riley breaking down on the senate floor, s i have talked to riley in person. she is so strong. i mean, she has carried so much weight on her shoulders and really been forced to lead the way for a lo hert of womenay for who haven't found the courage and the voice to speak their own truths wom and to seer break down like that. i can only imagine the trauma that she's experienced and probably imagine it's goinge something that lingers with her for the rest of her life. yeah, you know, a separate question. it just occurred to me, you know, you have a long career in sports media and ishea there any admission that these issues are just basinyc common sense, like, look, let's stand for women's sports or, you know, colin kaepernick gets to speak out and, you know, he's hailed, but someone like, you know, trevor williamshi

biological men as well our guests paula with canlon, who competed in the same country team with a woman leah thomasm with the lethumos, but at the same time not gave no comments and could not tell us. why did you decide to speak out now because this has also become your big concern lately . and you are dissatisfied with it and you wish put an end to it last year. i really believed that this would not continue in the future. i thought that swimming was just some kind of exception, but i continued to observe what happens and happens again and already with other girls, for example, spayton, tycoon you are most likely aware of this story. after all, this girl was injured because of a transgender. while playing your sport. and for a moment at the school level, young girls suffer because of this, and i just could not be silent anymore, telling the trauma, which she received. peyton, i mean, this case makes me wonder about trauma. prevented her from continuing to play on her college team because she had a concussion and other injuries that were known to be very serious, which caused her to decide to stop

.♪ so last year, winnaleah thomas,f former teammates anonymouslyates came forward and spoke about her uncomfortable experience and swimming with leahand in a recent sit down interview, she detailed how the school tried to silence her and her fellow teammates her and said that they used to hidec in the stalls to avoidha changig next to leah. and here with reaction is is former ncaa swimmer and advisor to the independent women's forum. voice, rather, is riley gaines. riley, i mean, she told i guess ,matt walsh in an intervieww that the team in a meeting, you know, they said it waser t non-negotiable. for her to be on the team and that they would regret if t they spoke to the media. that was the u. penn athletic department telling the team they better shut their mouth. >>is is not uncommon. of make no mistake. paul spoke of her experience at ut penn, but this is happening e at every institution across the country. and ution achei know this becaum graduated from one of these institutions will do everything they can to silence you . paul , experience is far from unique. >> so talk about this in terms, of what the reality is . i mean, sc

thomas. is all of that true? >> yes. they never really had a conversation with us about the non-negotiable until after the season began. that meeting pretty much saying don't talk to the media, leah swimming is not negotiable all happened in a meeting in december of 2021. they didn't address any of it until it became a problem with the media and until there was a huge story about it. >> bill: so they come to you and tell you all this and you guys are tight, right? you are a team. you spend hours every day of the week together. what was the talk about on the team? >> before it was just one-on-one conversations you would have with people and you would say hey, what do you think about this? maybe this isn't fair. but once they have a talk with us we stopped talking to each other about it. that conversation was so scary and frightening we were afraid to even speak amongst ourselves. at that point you couldn't really raise any concerns. you didn't know who you could trust. >> dana: we reached out to the university of pennsylvania. they didn't respond at this time. back going back to when lia thomas was first competing there was a narrative that the team didn't care because they just w

i know that i don't speak for every single person who competed against leah thomas but i know i speak from them because i saw the tears. i saw the tears from the night in 17th place finishers the missed out on being named an all-american and i can attest to the extreme discomfort in the locker room from these 18-22-year-old girls when you turn around and there's male eyes watching in that same room and i can attest to the whispers and the grumbles of anger and frustration from these girls are just like myself it worked our entire lives to get to this meet. meet. and i can attest to the fact that around the country he cmo athletes who opposed the inclusion of leah thomas and women's division were threatened, intimidate and emotionally blackmailed into silence and submission. but, unfortunately, our experiences are not unique. the number of female athletes have been denied opportunities traumatized or hurt by policies that claim to vote conclusion is growing at an alarming rate. i hear these female athletes and their parents. i hear from these people are seriously injured. one was perma