followed by leanne grossman. >> we're at a critical juncture and you hold the key for this movement to move eastward in divestment and the retirement funds of other cities across the board, so i really encourage you to think about the sacredness of water and the contaminates and the pollution that the industries have brought to our communities and many areas are sacred sites that you also would be protecting, so i encourage you to divest at the earliest time possible. >> would you identify yourself? >> gonzalez -- >> thank you, mr. gonzalez. i still have jean peters, followed by leanne grossman. >> the main argument used that we shouldn't divest fully is that we have influence by interesting our investments. i ask you as a board, did you ever influence in the time you've had, all of that money invested in oil, did you influence exxon, shell, mobile, any of these people -- yes, they think they're people. [laughter] and secondly, i want it say that my colleague here, mr. martin said, we think energy is bad. no. we believe in clean energy and that clean energy needs our investments to go