congress, never the less, was given substantial -- >> did the commander in chief sign that ledgelation? >> yes, he did, your honor. >> thank you. >> thank you, mr. chief jus fis. tis. and may it please the court. it doesn't matter whether the lie was told in a public meeting or in a private conversation with a friend or family member. and the law punishes false claims regard less of whether results aren't likely to result in an virj. . >> what is the first amendment value in a lie, pure lie. >> just a pure lie? there can be a number of values. there's the value of personal autonomy. >> what does that mean? >> that we get to exaggerate and create -- >> no, not exaggerate, lie. >> well, when we create our own persona. >> he made things up about himself. >> that was for literary purposes. no one is suggesting that you can't write a book or tell a story about somebody who earned a medal of honor and it's a fiscal character so he obviously didn't. >> perhaps. but there are other things, in

that is not something that can be ledgelated, that the central government phenomenon. that is a cultural shift. marines deciding to grow food differently. individuals doing more self-generated power, which leads me to the belief there's a false split, that the left right spotlig split is outdated. that it is left, right or distributed and you have people on the left and right both in favor of a more distributed power base and then there's other folks who believe we should need consolidated power and then to fight over who should have that power and it's hard for me to see how the distributed power ultimately doesn't take up more of the resource and responsibility simply because it's what's happening. >> you know, i like where you're coming from in the sense that it really does feel pretty old to be arguing about left right. monetary stimulus, fiscal stimulus. more jobs act, fewer jobs act. deficit versus growth. austerity. i do feel it's all those debates are quite old. what i have trouble with is figuring out what your idea looks like on the ground. i mean for somebod