being closer to richmond than lee is and lee will be in a lot of trouble at that point lee is almost checkmated if grant can do that. grant and grant would be willing to accept the quick victory, you know all those expectations for victory in two weeks leads to army destroyed in a month or whatever. grand wouldn't mind he'll give it a shot if you can't. but he's also. realistic enough to know probably he's going to have to play out the whole campaign. what he plans to do is basically and he's got this in mind not the details of it, of course, but in broad and broad terms is to keep moving to the southeast and circle around richmond. to the east if you can get straight into richmond sure take it. but on the other hand. he thinks probably and he tells a staff officer before the campaign starts. so they're still up here for the armies have left their camps. tells the staff officer. actually several of his staff officers. when we get here, and he points to petersburg when we get here. the world will be over. and it's pretty close to being true. so anyway, the campaign begins in may of 64

lee called on him to exit the race. on election day, lee announced that he had voted for me, which makes his claims that i'm a leftist all the -- all the stranger. but look, he changed very quickly after election day when donald trump actually prevailed. i think he expected trump to lose most of the country, i think expected that. so, you know, no harm in being wrong, but i think when he was wrong about that, he decided that he needed to get on board with the former president in order to protect his own power. and so that's exactly what he did. and by the time we got to 2020, he was campaigning with trump. and in a moment that has become quite infamous in the minds of many utahns -- most utahns, in fact -- senator lee campaigned with trump in october in 2020, in mesa, arizona. and while he was there, he was standing on stage with the former president, and he compared him to a revered, righteous figure from the book of mormon, captain moroni. >> you know, you and senator lee are both mormon. you're both part of the churc

lee. robert e. lee is not with us. robert e. lee will be tried as a traitor to the confederacy. you take it from that, that's an 1861. in february of 1865, lee when is proposing the emancipation of slaves and the recruitment for the confederate army, the charleston mercury newspaper says we knew that was robert e. lee never with us. we knew that robert e. lee was always a federalists at a hard. we can't trust robert e. lee. this is february of 1865 in the charleston mercury. lee had a particular profile and many people are not entirely sure about robert edward lee. they love the fact that he won battles. many people scratching their heads about him, politically speaking. >> and robert e. lee himself often, as you know, embodied many contradictions. throughout the book you site where he will see one thing and then turn around and do something that seemingly trying contradictive. so, i just had a question and i think their questions in that queue and are we q and a as well from our audience. so, he was appointed head of the virginia army. he eventually is put in charge of the army

so let's move to lee. why does lee invade maryland? now we see the two armies, the big red dot and, the blue dot red dots. it's centreville and near manassas, where the battle of second manassas was fought. washington is where all ese union are all gathered within the fortified nations. so lee has some options available to them. he has the initiative. well, he's got three essential options that i see first option. he can invest washington, d.c., but besiege the city. he's not going to be able to besiege. so he can't cut the entire city off. but he can try to invest part of it. what's the good thing on? it it maintains the pressure upon lincoln, the federal army. well, when you've got an army outside, your gates. that's pressure. what's the what's the downside? negative. his men can't eat no supplies in northern virginia. no, no means of getting supplies. that isn't going to work. second option, withdraw to warrenton and reassess your supply line. your army is very poorly. re-equip your army. resupply your army. bring up some of the con

senator lee? senator lee: yes. biden is our president and chosen in the only election that matters, the election held by the adoral college. i voted to certify the votes. joe biden won that. now, as to whether there were errors, as to whether some states might have conducted their elections better than others, there's always room for debate and questions about that. some people express concerns about the number of states using universal mail-in balloting for the first time in 2020. unlike utah they hadn't tested it out. in utah we've got these signature verification protocols and elaborate procedures for going through the voter registration roles to make sure they are the right people, people who died or moved out of state haven't voted. in other states there were open questions about that, about ballot harvesting and stuff things like that but what matters is the electoral college and the electoral college won. i would add it's absolutely essential the authority to conduct elections remain in state hands and never

lee. those things would have been with robert e lee before the civil war which taken together don't do a lot to explain what we know about robert e lee once the civil war begins. >> host: henry light horse harry lee was not necessarily a good father. is that correct? >> guest: he was a splendid cavalry commander of light horse carrying out light cavalry raids, doing all kinds of jobs like that. as soon as the revolution was over, they moved back into civilian life everything went from bad to worse. he made investments in western virginia land, buying ski resorts in bangladesh. they all went to nothing, bankrupted him. also chose the wrong politics for virginia. light horse hairy reliever the federalist and in 1813 was beaten within an inch of his life by a pro-jeffersonian mob and taking both of those things together like horsehair he decided other crimes were capricious. going to the west indies, robert was 6 years old and robert never saw him again. it was a major and traumatic moment th

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lee. scott never forgot the service that robert e lee had got during mexican war and the years between that war and the civil war, scott develops something of a surrogate father figure to robert lee. he assists in promoting members of the lee family, one of lee's sons really gets a commission in the u.s. army largely because winfield scott arranges it. he had a close relationship this way but nothing, nothing more cruelly disappointed for scott than when lee came to visit him in april of 1861 to tell him that he was going to turn down the offer of command and that he would resign his commission in the united states army. it was said that winfield scott took to his sofa weeping saying, i never want to hear the name of robert e lee again, well, that probably is somewhat but does give you a sense first of all the relationship between the two but secondly the disappointment that scott experienced when lee decided in fact, not to take up the command but in other circumstances scott might have w

lee. those two things would have been noted before the civil roar -- war which taken together don't really do a whole lot to explain what we know about robert e. lee once the civil war begins. >> henryo life force harry lee was not necessarily a good father. is that correct? >> he was a splendid calgary commander especially of life force carrying out like calgary raids doing post, doing all kinds of small jobs like that. he was really a very good. as soon as the revolution was over and he moved back into civilian life everything went from bad to worse. he made investments in western virginia land that were the equivalent of buying the ski resorts in bangladesh. they all went to nothing. they bankrupted him. he also chose the wrong politics in virginia. virginia was the virginia thomas jefferson. harry lee was a federalist and in 1813 he was beaten within an inch of his life by a pro jeffersonian law and taking both of thoselt things together he decided other climes are probably more pernic

and lee. only has about 15,000 men at sharpsburg, so he makes a decision i'm going to try and fight a battle here. i'm going to see ii n reunite my armnd people have opinions about that epi. alexander, who was his chief ordnance officer in the campaign and one of the one of the best critic critical critical people of the confederacy analyzed confederate campaigns, the war in the east. he writes of this decision of defeat, certainly involve the utter destruction of his army because he's got the potomac river behind. them. historian john proops writes it beyond controversy. one of the boldest and most hazardous decisions in his whole military career. it a truth so bold and hazardous that one is bewildered that he should have even thought seriously of making it. and lastly, we'll hear from alexander again, i think it will be pronounced by military critics to be the greatest military the generally ever. okay. so why did he do it? well, kit douglas, i think, is a really good analysis by douglas. al

lee. two subordinate offenses with -- towards the south side of -- failed in me. with segel being defeated in the valley in newmarket, and benjamin butler being halted at bermuda hundred, south of richmond. the army of the potomac crossed the river at the same time, a series of costly ingredients at the wilderness. at the north end of the river, and coal harbor. losing some 60,000 men in the process, inflicting sufficient number of casualties on lee's army, to eliminated at as an offensive weapon. it was primarily now only potent on the defense. a new threat in the valley posed by david hunter compelled general [inaudible] to release about [inaudible] under early, to deal with that threat as well. but with butler's access to richmond blocked by confederate forces, under pierre gustave toutante beauregard, and lee seemingly if movable, in front of the confederate capital enrichment, grant made a bold decision. he would shift his entire army south of the james river, capture petersburg, 23 m

lee. the war and slavery. one of the myths from the civil war, we know that the civil war is famous for all of its myths. but one of the myths of the civil war i thought emancipation played no role until september of 1862, when lincoln issued the preliminary emancipation proclamation. that is not true. from the beginning of the war, the republican party and abraham lincoln were out for slavery. they did not want order states, missouri, kentucky, maryland, the slave states as well. they could not afford to let those states go into confederacy, they had to be very careful with how they proceeded., however the attack on slavery began very early in the war. remember the confiscation acts? i know these things seem to be kind of boring, but they are connected to the war. august of 1861. first confiscation act, slaves come within union lines. our free. emancipated. one of the biggest emancipators of the union army in the spring of 1862 was george be mclaughlin. he did not like this. he did not like this policy, but h

lee meets him over here, and this is an area that is favorable to lee. it is unfortunate that grant has to out by 17 hundreds. but by that time, they had cut down close burn them to smell the iron or. when the forest cut down, we came back with a second growth. not a climax for us but a second growth, low grab the woods with a lot of tickets. very thick forest. today a fourth tend to go into thicket anyway, for various reasons. one thing is we don't graze cattle and hogs in the woods like they tended to do -- which kept the understory of the woods greats now. especially because the woods had been cleared out, soil parenting wasn't that great, what you have is an area of maybe 30 to 40 square miles of tickets monthly. very thick! very dense. artillery is useless in that rain. advantages in number is almost useless. li really wants to fight there if he can, they do fight a battle there. it's not the greatest place for grant to fight but grant is eager to fight lee any place he can get to him! we fought a battle on the fifth 7th of may 1864 it's the first b

lee, a life. last book 2018.ok "even the strongest measures taken by the u goveren during both the war and reconstruction were deployed less with a view toward subjugating and more toward nudging them back into government. the great losers in the process were southern plaques on —- blacks. >> yes. i said that in 2018 and i haven't said anything sense to alter or change that. what we really hope a little too optimistically that the relevant teach lessons that l change political lines. of all the blood and treasure extended would open up the possibility but a reconstitution of the south itself in the image of the north. and that did not happen. and we didn't know how to do this called reconstruction. there was no book you could go into reconstruction for dummies to give you a step-by-step process on how to do reconstruction. and with that improvisation not all were well thought out. so that is the first thing that you see coming out of reconstruction. we did not know what it was we were doing so it gives an opportu

lee no longer has unconditional surrender plans. there is reason for that, i believe, and i'm not suggesting that he did wrong. but there is a little bit of negotiation that's going on here. and that is that lee will add until they are exchange. and this might seem like a throwaway line, but i think it's important for two reasons. on one hand, lee believed, or at least he had this little tiny bit of hope, that perhaps joe johnson's army or kirby smith's army will be successful, and there will be a need for his men once more. so, maybe the war will continue and they will be exchanged. but the flip side of that is current could have struck that out, but he doesn't. and i think that's telling because he thinks the war is coming to an end. so can lee let that one go. we can let that go because obviously this is a gesture. it's silly, empty, because it's obvious that when lee capitulates, the others will follow in his week. or at least, that grant very much had hope. >> that's going to create some legal wrangling later, but i want to do

so during the during the pursuit of lee after the fighting was over. what is lee? what is meade say in response to one of henry hallock's missives that was sent to him about he not pursuing mead says half my army doesn't have any shoes. is that like it's that light still nothing still nothing? and so you wonder how did we get? how did he get into this kind of a of a predicament where his army has no supplies nothing. well, let's go back to the beginning of the campaign real quickly. he accepts command on june 28th. on june 29 he moves the army. and not after a heck of a lot of examination of maps intelligence reports from various elements of the army both cavalry as well as civilian reports. showing that lee's army which has been in pennsylvania for some time now foraging lee's army is stretched out between chambersburg and york, pennsylvania and there's a road that runs between chambersburg and york and you can see it on the on the map right above the word long straight you see chambersburg. the chambersburg pike runs from chambersburg to cashtown pass than to get

the lee money or the former lee monument the daughters of confederacy rallied around affects the women i wrote about in that first book who are part of the initial plans to build that monument starting in 1870 and after lee's death. >> right, right. anyway that is a different book. someone wants to order caroline's one of her earlier books we might have them, contact us. but today were going to talk about ends of war. if you have been following my social media post while he been reading the book the last month or so you know i am crazy about it. so much about this book hits me dead center i love this book. so let's just jump in and start talking about ends of war so folks watching at home can get an idea of what they can get if they decide to order this book. now caroline it is september of 2021. in a war is ending. so, people of the united states and people around the world are watching something happen. they watch how war ends. if nothing else there probably understanding this is a complicated, messy and heartbreaking thing to happen, they just do not bring down the curtain and every

lee's invincibility broken. just as important in strong's opinion means performance had shown quote the army the potomac is at last found a general that can handle it. and he has stood nobly up to its terrible work in spite of its long disheartening list of hard-fought failures and in spite of the mcclellan influence on its officers ty i think that strong would have agreed that we should rename mcclellan's installation now put it on the list yet strong soon lamented the fact that meat allowed lee's army to escape intact across the potomac river newspapers bragged far too loudly about our having broken the backbone of the rebellion. he wrote on august 8th 1863 the vertebrae of southern trees and still cohered as we may yet learn to our terrible cost especially if lee reinforces himself with the debris of rebellion from the southwest lee got away. that's the bottom line in the end for george templeton strong as it was. for abraham lincoln on july 14th in a letter written but never sent to mead although he knew tha

and lee now is back where he was. it would be devastating. so what does lee do? he waits until he gets positive information that lee has actually moved through those mountain passes. when he is finally told yes, they're on their way to hagerstown, he then begins to move. he moves on a parallel route. he doesn't try to pursue the enemy through the enemy's rear into the hills. because even as john sedgwick says in a dispatch to meade at the time, and it was sedgewick that try to get us close to -- field as he could to check on what lee was doing, sedgwick says trying to get through these mountain passes here, they can detach any small amount of their army and will defeat us because they're always going to be way higher than we are and the roads are too darn narrow. we can't pursue him that way. every military -- say the same thing. dennis hartman -- i'd say i remember in my own experience, my father was a tanker in the 36 division in italy in the second world war. they had to pursue the germans from -- all the way to rome. much of that is mountain. and pursuing, he

lee severed his own anxiety that day.ybreak he pressed beauregard to clarify the identity of his opponents predict real commander replied that he faced to korsak federalists presumably the 18th and second taint course still failing to acknowledge burnside and warren. at 11:15 or inside compounded the confusion by informing lee that warren has likely abandon the petersburg area and is headed for the piedmont to confront early only suggesting that we send them reinforcements so he could crush the yankee line but not long after beauregard changed his tune telling lee a local citizen had reported a 30,000 have crossed the river and peeled to lee to help you hold this position. one can only imagine lee's reaction to this conflicting intelligence. at 4:30 that afternoon so they told beauregard that no information about grant crossing the james river but ordered hill and kershaw to approach the pontoon bridges. then at last beauregard provided lee with unambiguous and preparation of the night core was on the ground in front of t

let's go to her now. >> lee county, why do you stand behind lee county's decision to not have that mandatorytil the day before the storm. >> well did you -- where was your industry station when the storm hit? were you guys in lee county. no, with you were in tampa. so they were following the weather track and they had to make decisions based on that. but 72 hours, they weren't even in the cone. 48 hours they were on the periphery so you have to make the decisions best you can. ly say they delivered the message to people. they had shelters open. everybody had adequate opportunity to get to a shelter within the county. but a lot of residents did not want to do that. i think for various reasons. some people don't want to leave they are home period, they're island people. but so much attention was paid to tampa, they thought they wouldn't get the worst of it but they did and i think it is easy to second-guess. but they were ready for the whole time and made that call when there was justifiable to do so. >> some of the nabin g they informed people and most people did not want to do it. that's the

reason to, longstreet undid lee at gettysburg.if number one is the real, reason number two is irrelevant. but nonetheless, they had reason number one and reason number two. so, they focused immense energy on gettysburg. dancing on the heads of pins about leadership here. but that is a relevant to what i see as gettysburg's real value to modern americans. i wish every student in every american history corps had a chance to visit gettysburg. to read lincoln's address while standing in the national cemetery amid the graves of national soldiers. who, in lincoln's words, consecrated the ground at gettysburg far above our power to detract or add. lincoln saw that the world would never forget what happened at gettysburg, and i hope he was right. thank you. [applause] >> thank you so, much professor gallagher. if you have questions, please make your way to the mics on either side of the room. >> you give me the signed one -- >> it seems that the explanation of abolition is, in part, a fantasy. i mean it's partly a cause but can also be ex

i was able to ask lee county commissioner about that evacuation order yesterday. also asked the sheriff of lee county about the decision to issue those evacuation orders some 36 hours after the emergency management plan here in lee county stipulates that that order should have been issued. keep this in mind, the plan states that if there is a 10% chance of a 6 foot storm surge in the most vulnerable areas the county is supposed to evacuate and help evacuate people out of those parts of lee county. they didn't. it wasn't until tuesday morning when officials ordered the evacuations, even though on sunday night before the storm hit there was an indication that there would be up to a 7 foot storm surge here. they have responded, pushing back on our questions, saying that they did everything that they could to help people in this area, that even with the forecast changing and the storm shifting eastward at a relatively late period, folks still didn't want to leave their homes. keep in mind more than 40, the bulk of the fatalities here in the state of florida, more than

it's a big issue for lee zeldin and a big issue in new york. i can tell you that's what people, my friends and family, that's what they seem to want to talk about. yes, inflation is an issue, but crime is in new york anyways, right up there at the top. john: listening to the current mayor, you'd think the worst problem that bedevils new york city is the fact that 3 or 4,000 illegal immigrants have been bussed up here from texas by the governor and the democrat mayor of el paso. >> yeah, we are a big city. 8.8 million people population. we should be able to handle this, but seeps to have a somewhat incoherent approach. he welcomes them and then says that he doesn't want it done because it's going to cost them so much money. i think he needs a consist message and obviously the federal government is the only place where this problem can be answered. not in our cities. >> john: maybe asking the unanswerable and why is the mayor here and other city officials and where are they not saying we're going to crackdown on crime. we're going to get tough. w

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senator lee, it is not a prop. it is not a prop. stand up for free and fair elections for peaceful transfer of power. >> the fiery debate in utah between republican senator mike lee and independent challenger mcmullen january 6th front and center. mcmullen accused of betraying oath to the constitution with initialers to overturn the 2020 presidential election calling it the most egregious betrayal of our nation's constitution in its history by a u.s. senator. joining us to discuss is former senior adviser to george w. bush and the john mccain campaigns and creator and co-host of "the circus" on showtime. great to have you here with us. you're watching this race incredibly carefully. what did you think of this debate and what do you really think of the possibility that mcmull hen has a chance? >> he has a shot. off the radar screen people assume a flb state of utah in fine shape. well, that's not the case. in fact, senator lee has been begging mitt romney for his endorsement and hasn't gotten it. last night the debate was fiery. mcmu

l jerry lee lewis. his roots were jerry lee lewis.of piet mondrian�*s most famed artworks depicting a new york skyline has been hanging upside down for the last 75 years. an old photo has revealed the mistake, but the curator of the german museum where it's displayed says it's far too late to rectify the error — as the work could fall apart if it was re—hung the right way up. that's all must now. you can reach me on twitter. i am at @richpreston. goodbye. hello. the weekend weather delivers more of the same of what we've had over the past week, couple of weeks, actually. it'll be very mild, actually. it will be quite warm when we get see some sunshine, there will be rain at times too. we have low pressure anchored to the west of the uk at the moment. throwing across us at times, these rain—bearing weather fronts, even when they're not moving in, there are showers around. but all the while, with some changing for now is the air coming up from the south, keeping temperatures well above the average for this stage of october. another spel

a lot of lee county is a vulnerable area. one road in and one road out in many of these parts of fort myers, heading into fort myers beach. that's part of the reason many of them have been cut off. on sunday when 4 to 7 foot surge advisories were put out, that was three days before hurricane ian made landfall. it was predicted for an area from bonita, the evacuation went out tuesday morning. that prognostication of what was coming was sunday night. i asked the sheriff about that today. here was his response. there are indications lee county's comprehensive emergency management plan was ignored -- >> let's talk about that, sir. i'm going to cut you off before you go any further. i don't know who you are or where you come from, everyone wants to focus on a plan that might have been done differently. i'm going to tell you i stand 100% with my county commissioners, my county manager. we did what we had to do at the exact same time. i wouldn't have changed anything, and i know being in those meetings from the very minute, this sto

robert e lee did, curiously enough, not publicly, though porter wrote to leader lee after the war in effort to get lee's read on happened to pope at second bull run and lee responded to porter's inquiry. but was it was a very amber aguas response, which made it clear that lee was telling porter that he really didn't want to get involved, and so he didn't. i'm not sure what would have accomplished for porter to have invoked robert e lee speaking on his own on his behalf. but nevertheless, porter at least made the effort, and lee gave a response. but a response. the porter was able to, to any useful degree. yes. provide us with any details. the finding of the 1878 reopening of the court martial. did the court have any particular findings? the the 18 778 re reopening of had come after years and years and years of common tarry dispute disagree ment in public and private over the fitz john porter affair. and when a new court. a new inquiry is opened in 1878, under under president term under president. a good deal of the angst and the anxiety had leaked away over years and there was a more

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>> greg: lee, is there any celebrity role model?ood to gain those lessons, if you want some of the good stuff in life, you look at parents and grandparents, clergy, and there is a lot of good role models, decent people, and i'm a military guy coming you are around the dogtags. [applause] >> greg: so is -- and she has a military guy. >> lee: service, honor, personal courage, these celebrities are teaching you the seven army values or anything close to it, so if you want to learn something, learn what not to do. >> greg: good point. [applause] what did you learn not to do? not to do? >> kat: what have i learned not to do? i only learning from doing it. i don't know. celebrity, i don't care, i don't care. when i'm going through something, you just keep getting out of it. >> greg: that's true. >> lee: thomas jefferson. >> kat: yeah, mine is god. >> charlie: that's a good one. at >> greg: and on that note, don't go anywhere, we will beme righrt back. [applause] in his car's windshield, he scheduled at safelite.com. safelite makes it easy

senator lee has failed that test. he betrayed the document that i think also the american republic, and he's got to be held accountable. most utahans are united around that fact and united around the need for a senator representing us to work across party lines to solve problems. and that doesn't happen unless we have a functioning democracy. senator lee has worked very hard to tear it down. >> you look at the polling averages. you certainly have closed the gap. senator lee does have a lead, but you're within the par gin of error in a couple recent polls. how have you done it? what has been the focus of your campaign for a national audience that maybe hasn't followed this closely? how have you done it against an incumbent republican senator? >> the most recent polls have us up by a few or down by a few but 10% to 12% undecided, most leaning against lee but just tuning into the race now. we have an excellent opportunity to replace him. the reason we've been able to rise sosteadily in the polls and could defeat him is w

well senator lee urged me to run against donald trump in 2016. he should get off out of the race after the access hollywood tapes. but four years later what did he do? he was willing to help trump despite the will of the people having lost an election to try and stay in power. and would've spelled the end of the american republic but that's what senator lee was willing to do. and along the way, it's an issue that is important to many utahns, most of them for, senator lead compare donald trump tour of bird figure in the book of mormon. just shows how far senator lee has gone, he's lost his way in washington, because he's one of those people there who is pursuing power at any cost. senator lee has proven and he will say anything, he will do anything in order to hold on to power, and we've got to hold these kinds of leaders accountable. >> thank you very much for joining us evan mcmullin. >> thank you lawrence. >> coming up. if you are one of the 40 million people who is now eligible for student loan debt relief or if you know of one of those 40 mil