that year in one nine hundred eighty or maybe the lady maybe as early eighty one lee atwater who was one of the top advisers to ronald reagan so we need to you know we can't use the n. word anymore and we don't even need to talk about bossing anymore basically all we have to do is say cut domestic spending spending cuts and all the white people will get the signal that this is you know cut off the welfare of those lazy about black people i mean these are not though what i'm doing is i'm characterizing as well actually let me share his exact words with you so there's no ambiguity because i want to get your thoughts on if there's a direct line from reagan in one thousand nine hundred eighty to this years lee atwater short of time. and i'm. going to show a rather narrow utah. you know message. is much more abstract in. however morning. when you see what happened in charlottesville and then you listen to what lee atwater said back in eighty one how much do you think the republican party itself is responsible for the rise of the so called out all to rights and would the republican party b

. >> right, talking like lee atwater once spoke in an unguarded moment about the southern strategy.now, if bannon is indeed out, this is the latest of many moments when the tendency of the hope has been that people were able to say, okay, now maybe things will be normal. now maybe things will be like a regular white house and like washington has to run. and that hope has been thwarted every single time. so i've given up predicting that. i'm not predicting that there's going to be some magical change in the trump white house and all of a sudden it's going to be organize and everything will work right. i'm curious as to what sort of stance the breitbart, the news organization that steve bannon used to run will take if indeed he is out. because breitbart has already been viciously attacking gary cohn and everything he's trying to do in the white house. and will that intensify? and what impact does that have on trump's base and his perception of the impact it's having on his base. we'll see. >> and gillian, from the ft's perspective, you know the publishing world as well as anyone. you

>> what i add to that is that racism has been weaponized because nixon and lee and atwater decided theyanted to have all the kind of racist people in the republican party and were seeing the results of that polarized supreme court, campaign finance reform blown up. they have taken it to random racist to a political party whose goal is to under mine color. and you have a washington, d.c. that is dysfunctional and not helping people of color. >> the issue of politics, freedom of expression is much less comprehensive in places. germany, nazi logos are illegal. and they will fine people if they don't delete racist posts in the next 24 hours. should the u.s. have rules on racist speech? >> i think it will never happen. you have a president of the united states that things that they are emblematic and fine. >> do you think we need more restrictions on racism and hate speech in this country? >> i think it would never pass and i think people should be allowed to say what they think as long as they don't hurt me. but i also believe the symbols of racism should come down wherever they are. >> we