we heard it from lee castleton. from some other viewers about this that people watch what you're doing and they think you're not really taking this seriously and perhaps you're not taking them seriously. well, we're taking the voters�* concerns really seriously. that's why we've been putting forward all these policy proposals, and whenever we do one of those stunts to engage people so i show that i'm not taking myself too seriously, i'm taking the voters seriously. we've had lots of policy ideas. so when i was coming down that slide, we were talking about mental health. while you were on the slide, talking about mental health? well, actually, the bbc were covering our policy as i came down and i was pleased that they did, because it's really important we've got a crisis, the mental health of our young people. we've got hundreds of thousands of young people waiting for therapies, waiting for counselling, waiting for support. and what we've said is let's make sure there's a qualified mental health professional in ever

we heard it from lee castleton.at�*s why we�*ve been putting forward all these policy proposals, and whenever we do one of those stunts to engage people so i show that i�*m not taking myself too seriously, i�*m taking the voters seriously. we�*ve had lots of policy ideas. so when i was coming down that slide, we were talking about mental health. while you were on the slide, talking about mental health? well, actually, the bbc were covering our policy as i came down and i was pleased that they did, because it�*s really important we�*ve got a crisis, the mental health of our young people. we�*ve got hundreds of thousands of young people waiting for therapies, waiting for counselling, waiting for support. and what we�*ve said is let�*s make sure there�*s a qualified mental health professional in every primary school and every secondary school. let�*s fund that by asking the social media giants to pay more in digital services tax. and so we�*ve come forward with a very, very significant policy. and, you know, when i had

you say it is very important, but lee castleton, one of those top postmasters and g were post officeen some of this was important, how can we we trust you around whistle—blowers. whistle—blowers were fatal to the horizon scandal. in 2019 in the high court case. that whistle—blower from inside fidgets is that the post office have been telling lies to set postmasters, ministers and judges, that whistle—blower was crucial as the itv drama showed. his that whistle-blower was crucial as the itv drama showed. his question is how could — the itv drama showed. his question is how could people _ the itv drama showed. his question is how could people trust _ the itv drama showed. his question is how could people trust you - the itv drama showed. his question is how could people trust you to - is how could people trust you to protect whistle—blowers when you were post office minister, one of the people in charge of the system when concerns were already being raised. i know you say you were not told you you would have done something about it, but some campaigners feel you didn't do enough, you w

and one of the things we put to ed davey this morning was lee castleton, who was one of the sub—postmasterse some months ago for ed davey about why, in his view, he didn't do enough when he was the post office minister. but lee this morning told us, and we showed this to ed davey, that he thinks you can't trust people if they're swinging on a rope. i mean, he said, "this looks like borisjohnson to me. i don't like it. i want you to be serious about what's going on". and so we played it to ed davey, we played lee's question to him and it was a bit of an awkward moment. i think i don't particularly like the buffoonery. - i find it very boris—esque, and i. don't think there's any need for it. it's really, really, _ really important that we trust him, and trust is never going to be built by swinging around on ropes - or paddleboarding in cumbria. trust is about engaging with the people that. need that engagement. do you think you're really taking it seriously? well, on the sub—postmasters, my heart goes out to lee and all the others who were so badly affected, and i'm looking forward to giving

in 2013 computer weekly was reporting extensively on the case of lee castleton and jo hamilton, dj fs and it would have been on your radar. ~ . , . . , . radar. and it was and i was asking iuestions radar. and it was and i was asking questions and _ radar. and it was and i was asking questions and there _ radar. and it was and i was asking questions and there was - radar. and it was and i was asking questions and there was the i radar. and it was and i was asking l questions and there was the second sight investigation which i felt was very important as a way to get to the truth and which i was very supportive of. i think to be fair i did also put some weight and the fact that the courts have made these decisions. i did recognise as the minister standing and has house of commons is not something that you should do likely to say that these courtjudgments must be wrong but to me felt that they needed to be proper process to understand. and the other thing that i think is important and the other thing that i think is importantand a the other thing that i think is important and a wider is

one of those is lee castle castleton, who lost his livelihood in the post office horizon scandal.hers who were - seriously? my heart goes out to lee and all the others who were so - seriously? my heart goes out to lee| and all the others who were so badly affected and i am looking forward to giving evidence to the inquiry which i campaigned for to hold people to account. in terms of the things we have been doing, the stunts, the real issue is engaging people and they have done. one of the reasons i am so pleased to be on your programme is to talk about what the liberal democrats are standing for, health and care, that is at the centre of our manifesto, talking about the cost of living, and that is not coming up enough, people are really struggling out there. and we are talking about the environment, we are the ones campaigning about the sewage scandal, against that. i am determined in all the seats we can win across the blue wall against conservatives in the west country and other places, people hear about what the liberal democrats stand for from our local champions because we ca

lee castleton played by actor will mellor in the itv drama, compared sir ed's photo opportunities tooing to be built by paddleboarding in cumbria. sir ed has been criticised for not doing more to help wrongly convicted subpostmasters when he served as postal affairs minister in the coalition government in 2010. he's previously apologised for failing to see through the post office's lies , and has insisted office's lies, and has insisted that he's taking voters concerns seriously , despite campaign seriously, despite campaign events, including a visit to a theme park and a ride on a waterslide. let's get the views of former lib dem mp and leadership hopeful mark oaten, whose highly entertaining podcast with lembit opik, the very liberal podcast , is out very liberal podcast, is out now. mark, lovely to see you. former newspaper editor kelvin mackenzie has said that in the week post office hero alan bates receives a knighthood , sir ed receives a knighthood, sir ed davey should hand his back. is he right ? he right? >> no. i think he's totally wrong , look, this is a very wrong, look,