lee harvey, all all was in mexico. apparently making a called to the soviet union that call was by the way it recorded by the mexican president at the time they say that's concealed in there as well. and these documents of mr. biden did not release. why, what, what, why, why not release those? and is that significant? as far as you can to? i think it is significant. i mean the caea has always issue deceptive, any misleading statements about what it knew about as well. and some of the details are still shrouded in secrecy. one that came out in december, we learned a little detail, which was the wiretapping operation that picked up our nozzle was set up with the help of the mexican president. and the cia and the mexican presidency were very careful to conceal that knowledge from the warren commission. the warren commission report because it was very sensitive because it showed that the c, i a knew far, far more about the suppose it assassin than they ever admitted. wow, jefferson morley on the book is c, i a and j f. k.

is the pre assassination interest in lee harvey. awesome. that's the thing that's been radioactive for the cia from the start. and when we see, you know, as we get down to the end and more and more, it gets be classified, the stuff that remains, the story that remains hidden is the cia operational interest in oswald before kennedy was killed just before he supposedly killed the president of the united states lee harvey, also all it was in mexico, apparently making a call to the soviet union that call was by the way it recorded by the mexican president at the time they say that's concealed in there as well. and these documents of mr. biden did not release. why, what, what, why, why not release those? and is that significant? as far as you can to? i think it is significant. i mean, the caea has always issued deceptive and misleading statements about what it knew about as well. and some of the details are still shrouded in secrecy. one that came out in december, we learned a little detail, which was the wire tapping operation that picked up on

people who study this stuff, researchers say those particular documents contain information about lee harvey oswald connection to the ca and the f b i. for example, why was he in contact with agents and operatives? prior to kennedy's death, i was talking to people in the f, b i in the, in the ca. how he was perhaps in contact with agents in general ad why? where is the record of his call to the soviet union's embassy from mexico city weeks before the assassination of call? that was apparently wire tap by mexico's president at the time a dude named adolfo lopez motels. and that we know the details of those of that phone conversation is contained in those secret records. why can't we hear it can be so bad in their as is the fact that he travelled to helsinki at the time and stayed in the luxury hotel despite the fact that he had no job and he had no money . and why was he in contact with the c i a operatives at that time? and how about the fact that the former marine, he was a former marine travel to moscow, where he asked the defect and didn't even keep it a secret when he asked the fact from

perhaps the greatest mystery of the 20th century was who killed us. president john f kennedy was at lee harvey. oswald acting alone, was at the cia or elements of the cia was at the mafia. the russians, the cubans, perhaps even vice president. lyndon johnson, we don't have the definitive answer, but our guest today is one of the world's leading experts on this subject. and he's uncovered some new information. i'm john kerry aku and you're watching the whistleblowers. ah. 2 there are enough questions about the john f kennedy assassination to fill a library. countless books already have been written on the subject, and many of them have only served to make the issue murkier. rather than to clear up some of the myriad questions surrounding the case. every 5 or 10 years, congress demands that, that ca, declassify, and release a tranche of documents related to the assassination. and with great hope among the public that more light would be shed on one of the most infamous crimes. in american history, we are invariably disappointed. many of us hang on films and documentaries, by the likes of oliver

this new information, lee harvey oswald, was a person of interest to the cia. as you said, from 1959 throughout 1963. what does that mean in the greater scope of things? does it point a stronger finger? do you think at the cia and are we talking about official ca, or elements of the cia? we're talking about senior officials in the counterintelligence staff and the directorate of operations. people who reported directly to deputy director discounts where the counterintelligence st. james angleton and the important one of the important things is, people say, oh yes, of course they were, you know, keeping track of him because he had been a defector. he had lived in the soviet union, but the people who were paying attention to this is important, understand around it, right? this operational interest. sure. we want to see it says they can't be made public. but the story that they, that they conceal is the story of this interest in as well. so what was that interest? you know, that's why we need to see the records because that's right. you know, it, it could be that

he's learned that the cia has documents that show that accused assassin, lee harvey oswald, was on the cia payroll and involved in a c, i operation 3 months before the kennedy assassination. now, before we get too far in front of ourselves, we have to explain what we mean here. it turns out that the hands off cubic committee that oswald was a part of, in the months before the kennedy assassination was actually a cia front organization. there's no indication that oswald knew he was a member of a cia front group, or that he was involved in a c i operation. but it certainly makes many of us wonder what other information the cia still has about the kennedy assassination. that it doesn't want to make public, were joined by jefferson morley. he's a journalist, author, and the editor of the j. f. k. facts blog. his latest book is called scorpions dance, the president, the spy master and watergate. jeff, welcome to the show. were very happy to have you. thanks for having me, john. jeff, you made international news late last year with reports that the cia is in possession of here to for unseen

lee harvey oswald, was a person of interest to the cia. as you said, from 1959 throughout 1963. what does that mean in the greater scope of things? does it point a stronger finger? do you think at the end, are we talking about official cia or elements of the cia? we're talking about senior officials in the counter intelligence staff and the directorate of operations. people who reported directly to deputy director dick counselor to counter intelligence chief james angleton. and the important one of the important things is, people say, oh yes, of course they were, you know, keeping track of him because he had been a defector. he had lived in the soviet union. but the people who were paying attention to this is important, understand they weren't just paying attention to him for the sake of keeping track of somebody when they kept track of somebody that closely they were used for operational purposes. oh sure. and that's the part of the story that's still has a has a shroud of official secrecy around it. right? this operational interest. sure. we want to know what he was doing, but

on november 24th, 1963, tw days after lee harvey oswald assassinated president john f. on live television as jack ruby steppe forward on a dallas police station and shot and murdere lee harvey oswald on live tv everyone in america saw that murder committed live on television no one, for a single second, presumed jack ruby was innocent eventually, a jury was empaneled in dallas, who liked it to -- sow carried away emotionally that he didn't know what he wa doing, and of course the convicted him of murder. if those jurors actually reached a posture that allowed them to resume the innocence o jack ruby, at least at the outset of the trial, then they did their duty but it was only their duty t do and no one else in america, fo a single second, was ever aske to apply the presumption o innocence to the murderer wh they saw commit murder on live television so, if you don't live in manhattan, and if you don' live in fulton county, georgia and if you don't live in washington, d.c., wher criminal juries might be selected for trials involvin donald trump, you get to presume whatev

and how lee harvey oswald had visited mexico prior to the dallas assassination. this led to a vast cia surveillance operation with a ca, tap phones and spy on senior mexican politicians. unsurprisingly, portillo is not the only mexican president alleged to have worked for the cia with numerous mexican presidents being implicated, his c, i. a operatives from the 1950s right up to the 1980s. but it seems the current mexican president is in no mood to play ball with the cia. not unless we're not a protectorate of the united states or a colony of united states. we're not going to allow any foreign governments to intervene in our territory, much less the armed forces of a foreign government. mexico is a free, independent sovereign country. we did not receive orders from any one. the people of mexico govern here. not getting on honor. they still have not abandoned the monroe doctrine. they do not want to change, so they believe they are the government of the world. they assume themselves to be the government of the world. so, as mexico lays down the law to the white ho

most famous of these war surplus imports in the 1950's and 1960's, is the cork on a rifle used by lee harveyays will to kill john f. kennedy in 1963. it is just one of nights that come into the country and truly remake the consumer market for guns in the united states. they do that in two ways. one, they make it one centered around war and firearms that have been involved in war and firearms that can be used for war. that is where we see the trajectory leading to something like the popularity of the ar-15. the other aspect is it simply is cheapness. american consumerism drives down the prices of these guns and a $10 gun becomes just as accessible as a $150 gun and that will dramatically expand the gun market. the number of guns in the united states doubles every 25 years or so after the end of the second world war, precisely because of that phenomenon. amy: then you have a going the other way. yet the gun violence in the united states and u.s. involvement in international small arms trade and trafficking and refusing to sign off on being an obstacle at the u.n. to sign off on treaties that w

on live television as jack ruby stepped forward on a dalla police station and shot an murdered lee harveyt murder committed live on television. no one, for a single second, presumed jack ruby was innocent. eventually, a jury was empaneled in dallas who liked it to -- sow carried away emotionally that he didn' know what he was doing, and of course they convicted him of murder. if those juror actually reached a posture tha allowed them to resume the innocence of jack ruby, at least at the outset of the trial, then they did their duty. but it was only thei duty to do. and no one else in america, for a single second was ever asked to apply th presumption of innocence to th murderer who they saw commit murder on live television. so, if you don't live in manhattan and if you don't live in fulto county, georgia, and if yo don't live in washington, d. c., where criminal juries might be selected for trials involvin donald trump, you get to presume whatever you want. wit most highly publicized trials, i usually do not presume innocence and i do not presume guilt, because i know fo certain that i do

someone else, a young man in red shorts, putting him in charge of everything, but once they said that lee harveyled president kennedy. as for the texts of all these documents, again, who determines these documents are real leaked or not real today it is determined. uh, well , it's almost incomprehensible who it seems to me that it is necessary to play this game with the americans. hmm uh in both directions. today, they are trying to quarrel with the publication of documents by russia and its allies. today. uh, they published that hungary is doing something bad there. yesterday they published the same thing about serbia, the day before yesterday they tried to comment on egypt, that is , we see that this is a deliberate leak. in my opinion, organized by ourselves americans. it is used for some current purposes. well, let's also play these games, publish documents, who will say that they are not real, well, at the moment this criterion is practically. no, but as far as the rakalsu is concerned, but again at the cutting edge of truth today for him, perhaps, it was a revelation. although i think it’s

and so me and my executive director, harvey lee atwater of self carolina, are summoned and we're giventhe lecture, boys. we're giving you budget. don't waste it. we're going to give you assignments. it. i don't want funny business. i don't want internet. see in warfare. i want adult behavior. and if there is not, there will be consequences. if made myself clear. yes, sir. do you have any questions? and at that, lee atwater, unbeknownst to me, had a question. and when lee would talk, he would stutter and his clothes would sort of magically begin. but i got i got a question. yes, lee, what it is it true you keep a boston whaler with two evinrude 380 sevens on the potomac river? yeah as a matter of fact, i do. i bought this weekend. there's a really cute girl up from south carolina. i would really appreciate. i could. i've come to the craft before and i'll return it full of gas and going, what the. it had just enough hoods by the bush said okay so this is our contact with them this is it this is we've had 5 minutes. we've been sternly and my my one paid staffer has now gotten us into trou

and that's why the work that lee does and, what harvey does is so important right, is that it is happening today and it fascinates me. how we will then you know, buy your book, make it a bestseller here. these book written about talked about on npr and all of that. it is not pasando and it's the moment. it's right here in the trauma, the suffering, the separation and the, you know, possibility, hypothermia. and it's not that i have a question, but i have to tell you, i because i'm doing some deep investigative reporting on the continue all sexual assault that happens in every immigrant detention camp every hour across the country in camps right here where i visited yesterday. and the fact that just getting worse in the will, the only way it is, you, not me, you actually. and i'm really that's why i'm so thankful to be here with such powerful people. by the way, el salvador, like the salvadoran reality form to me as a young revolutionary college, formed me news for me and the vietnamese experience of lee's family. and that legacy also formed me. so we are each other. we are actually each. a

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