let's trade those names with lee munson good to see you today, lee first up, splunk >> splunk.rd pass, and let me tell you why. cisco offered $20 billion for this earlier this year, and that's, you know, 40% higher than it was -- than it is today. after that, they got some new management in, another pe firm earlier came in with 7.5% stakes and said, oh -- and remember, here's the deal with companies like this. private equity firms like to come in and say, hey, let's get you on a subscription model in the cloud and your valuations will go up, we'll all make money. that's not happening so now we have starboard coming in with 5% activist stake. their focus is more on, let's just cut costs and try to get this thing to go up short-term but they've been around for 19 years, this company, splunk, they're not making a lot of money. it's a highly competitive environment. so, i think for investors to look at this, you're really not investing in this company. you should do all your research on starboard and think, do you want to invest with those guys for me, it's not my cup of tea i thin