and alan greenspan is on the hill and saying lee raymond's speech. and itsen solyndra, the solar company that grabbed headlines and failed. if big oil was behind that, given that their animosity towards kind of renewables and the subsidies renewables require. evidence of that? not making making the bad loan t fanned the flames of the criticism? >> guest: the american petroleum institute, a trade group in washington, made their spunup communications machine that seizes every opportunity and they're political allies did the same thing. but i think that the underlying question about alternatives and exxonmobil is, they're a corporation, they can pursue whatever business strategy they want. the question is, as a country, do we want to create subsidies and incentives for a shift to alternatives and a loan program that ended up with sew lynn contract providing it, why wouldn't we? if you look at it, we have been talking about how everybody in this country shares an interest in the lowest cost energy possible, consistent with a sustainable environment. that