joining me now is lee sanders, president of the american federation of state county and municipal employeesgest union of public employees. thanks for being here tonight, lee. >> good evening, al. >> lee, can a grassroots movement stand up to big money that's being pumped into this campaign from the other side? >> no question about it. i think that it can. and we are going to be putting boots on the ground and absolutely the entire labor movement, partners in the communities, religious organizations, students, seniors, we are going to have boots on the ground and 40,000 activists in the last election, al, in 2008. we are going to have 80,000 people participating by knocking on doors and making those phone calls and handing out leaflets. the afl-cio will have 400,000 people doing the same thing. not only knocking on doors of labor union members but mocking on doors in our communities, nonunion members. we are going to get out the vote and do it strong. >> you have got the big money. have you the voter suppression and many of us in the civil rights community are concerned about a nonpartisan w