for those members, lee saunders, what does this ruling mean? a dark day for detroit, it's a dark day for working families, it's a dark day for the retirees who have really worked for 30, 35 years, given their lives to public service yet they have a huge bull's-eye on their back based upon this ruling by the court. on average, our members on this average earn $19,000 a year, their pension benefits are $19,000, yet they are standing in the front of the line where they're going to get cut. those benefits will be reduced. we think that's unfair, immoral, and we're going to continue to fight legally. we're appealing the decision yesterday. but we're going to continue to educate the community in detroit and across michigan and across this country. you don't attack workers who have given their lives to public service at the expense of their pensions. i mean they earned their pensions. as you heard the gentleman say, those pensions were earned by them when they were working and they deserve to retire with dignity and respect. >> and you can't listen to

lee saunders, president ofs a union that was at the immigration rally today. thank you for joining me. >> thanks for having me, al. >> do you think the moral example set by these activists fasting in the cold on our national mall is helping to refocus the nation on the immigration issue? >> well, i think that we've got to keep the pressure on in any way possible. and these fasters, they've been on a fast for 22 days. and they've passed that fast on to other individuals who feel strongly about comprehensive immigration reform. the best christmas present that john boehner could give all of us, this entire country, is to provide comprehensive immigration reform for the 11 million people living under the shadows, in the shadows in this country. that's unacceptable in america. and he's got to push for a vote. we urge him to have a vote in the house and get this done. >> now, the senate has voted. all we need is a house vote. and john boehner won't even meet with the group, lee saunders. >> that's why we've got to keep the pressure on. this is -- we aren't forgettin

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