host: susan casey-lefkowitz is the program director for the natural resources council. democratic caller. was born in canada, i know the oil patches. i know that there is a new one of opening up that is relatively clean. how a new congressman has worked for a few months in montana and he does not know anything about where it is. you cannot cross the border in the constitution. what part of the budget is he getting? and he is on television now. we have one congressman from the house and montana, of course, from the little population. guest: i think that part of the concern you may be raising is that one thing we are starting to see, not only with something like keystone xl, crossing the ,ellowstone river not long ago we are also starting to see shale oil found in a lot of places and the big thing need to is ourselves across america what kind of future do we want for ourselves or our children? is this something where we bear the risks of oil pipelines? of oilfferent types development? or do we have better choices for cleaner energy? that is something that we are working v

at 8:30 eastern, susan casey- lefkowitz of the natural resources defense council talks about the keystone oil pipeline. and our spot line on magazines features nick summers of "bloomberg businessweek." >> for all of those who >> for all those who of been affected, we realize you have a long road ahead. enormous grief has to be absorbent, but you will not travel that passed alone. -- enormous grief has to be absorbed. host: president obama pledging support for oklahoma in the wake of the deadly tornado on monday. at least 24 people including nine children were killed. the medical examiner's office says the number was reduced from yesterday after officials said some of the dead were counted twice. clients

st: we're talking with susan casey-lefkowitz here to talk about the keystone x.l. pipeline. a vote will take place in the house today, and looking like with republican support it will pass there. unlikely, though, to be taken in the democratic-controlled senate. host: true? guest: it's interesting we hear that question whether or not the canadian oil will come out of the ground regardless. it's true that keystone x.l. is being, you know, seen by industry experts in canada as necessary for the expansion of the tar sands. so it is not inevitable that tar sands expansion will happen as quickly as the industry wants it to without this pipeline. this pipeline is really critical and it's a main driver of expansion because those pipelines aren't being built to the coasts in canada and there's really no other way to get the oil out to latin america, europe, china, to the international markets that the oil industry wants to reach. host: all right. jack echos that on twitter. caller: how you doing. nice to get a chance to voice my opinion. i really wish that the conservative -- i mean