legbal. bbying is -- is legal. bribery, not so much. there is a role to be played for industries that are affected by legislation to have a voice. one of the things that president trump ran on was this idea of, we need to drain the swamp. there are various elements of that. contributions, a regulatory state that hasn't been expert -- that exercises a lot of influence. is illegal.t augustine's -- augustus? swamp up. steered the calling.nk you for write that almost every business is involved now. consider the cost of doing business? guest: you will see industries newly emerging maybe not understand the value of that. you think a lot about the technology of things. google and facebook. they didn't really have that much of a washington presence five years ago. and then there was talk in washington about regulating these companies, and then they beef up their lobbying presence. alphabet, the parent company of google. they have seen the value for themselves in having that presence. host: joe in auburn, alabama. republican. hello. there is no