another 300, 400 points that is because lehman was in there on winding and other hedge funds -- lehman brotrss bringing down dominoes. literally you are watching dominoes fall and that hurt so many people. so if lehman had been saved, you could have had a suationhe these assets were sold in a much more orderly and controlled way instead of as crazy and haphazard and irresponsibly sold the way they were. >> how long do you think it will be before the market recovers? >> honest to god, warren buffett doesn't even know the answer to that question. but all i know is -- >> you think like n years? >> it isn't going to be a v shape recovery. a lot of people have beetrying to say it will. it's going to be more like a w. and i could take five years. >> or ten? >> it could. i mean, the s&p 500 in 1972 was eight( ten -- 1982 it was eight, ten. so you have periods where, you know, you have peris of slow to negative growth,. >> if you think, you know, having these board of directors, this is so important yet our 01 u.s. treasurer can't follow the money our government is spending i mean how does it all --