less discuss it all with leigh drogen.started a new firm recently, starkiller capital, applying quantum research to digital assets. this is interesting because we know you as someone who traditionally would come on and we would talk to you about traditional equity analysis. make the pivot in the jump for us how you apply that with crypto. leigh: i have been a crypto investor since 2013, more so in 2015. in early 2017, sat down to apply very similar models to what your previous guest uses on the equity side which is what the beginning of my career was in. to the crypto market, those trend following models. what we found is because of the asymmetric nature of the growth of these cryptocurrencies, these trend following models are just incredibly useful in this market. and so at star killer, we are leveraging those very classic cta-style trend following momentum models. and they work very well. caroline: people are going to be based about this. they would say trend following matters because there are no fundamentals. do you ha