>> the katz firm. >> and when you did leave that night, did leland kaiser ever follow up with you and say what happened to you? >> i have had communications with her recently. >> i'm talking about the next day. >> she didn't know about the event. she was down stairs during the event and i did not share it with her. >> are you aware that the three people at the party besides yourself and brett kavanaugh have given statements under penalty of felony to the committee? >> yes. >> are you aware of what the statements say? >> yes. >> are you aware that they say that they have no memory or knowledge of such a party? >> yes. >> do you have motives? >> i guess we can take those one at a time. leland has significant health challenges. i'm happy that she is focussing on herself and getting the health treatment that she needs. she let me know that she needed her lawyer to take care of this for her. she texted me right afterward with an apology and good wishes. i'm glad she is taking care of herself. i don't expect that pj and leland would remember this evening. it was a very unremarkable party. i

in fact leland kaiser said she believes dr. ford. the only person who denied the event has taken place and said it did not happen is judge kavanaugh. so now this is the real point, sir. >> can you -- >> i would like to finish, sir. i understand that, but may i finish my segment. >> okay. i want to ask you a question. you have gone 17 minutes. i have three other people who would like to speak. >> sir, i understand that. i will be closing my commends soon and would like to continue. >> are you willing to let three other people speak. >> i can finish my comments and you can let whoever wants to speak speak. you are the chairman. >> go ahead. >> he can take my time. >> this nation is watching. not in a partisan way. we saw one republican so offended because she knows kavanaugh. this is americans watching right now to see what this body will do. this is not about politics or partisanship. i will forever remember what dr. ford said when she came before us. she said she was performing her civic duty. not trying to destroy a man. she was a c

>> the katz firm. >> okay. >> and when you did leave that night, did leland kaiser ever follow up with you and say, hey, what happened to you? >> i've had communications with her recently. >> i'm talking about like the next day or -- >> oh, no. she didn't know about the event. she was downstairs during the vant and event and i did not share it with her. >> are you aware that the three people at the party besides yourself and brett kavanaugh have given statements under penalty of felony to the committee? >> yes. >> are you aware of what those statements say? >> yes. >> are you aware that they say that they have no memory or knowledge of such a party? >> yes. >> do you have any particular motives to ascribe to leland? >> i guess we could take those one at a time. leland has significant health challenges and i'm happy that she's focusing on herself in getting the health treatment that she needs and she let me know that she needed her lawyer to take care of this for her and she texted me right afterward with an apology and good wishes and, et cetera. so i'm glad that she's taking care of h

do you know leland kaiser?” i have not seen him this thing. do you know leland kaiser?

leland kaiser has said she believes dr. ford. deniedy person who has the events have taken place and said it did not happen is judge kavanaugh. so now, this is the real point, sir -- i would like to finish, sir. may i finish? want to asky: ok, i you a question, you have gone 17 minutes. i have three other people who want to speak. sen. booker: i'm going to close my comments soon, i would like to finish. i will let whoever speak speak. you are the chairman. sen. grassley: go ahead, sir. booker: this nation now is watching, not in a partisan way. we saw one republican who knows kavanaugh is so offended, these are americans watching to see what this body will do. this is not about politics or partisanship. i will forever remember what dr. ford said when she came before us, she said she was performing her civic duty, she was not trying to destroy a man. she was a courageous hero look woman telling the truth about sexual harassment. this was what was done to me, she said. many of my colleagues found dr. ford credible, but to confirm j

have all said they don't remember anything like this ever happened and leland kaiser who saysford says she doesn't even remember ever being at a party where kavanagh was president. >> and that actually corroborates ford's story that she was so horrified by this that she kind of snuck out or shrulun slunk out of this apartment what no one would know what happened because she was so utterly mortified and she didn't tell anyone for years, which is consistent with the way 77% of women behave who have been sexually assaulted. so the president saying that calling into question her credibility shows, to me, you know, that this hearing as it's set up as a he said/she said cannot stand as a he said/she said. there has to be additional investigation or testimony to provide some corroborating context. her behavior is perfectly consistent with the victims of sexual assault. so the president and others who are attempting to smear her credibility without hearing are the ones who women are going to be furious at in this election and beyond. >> michael, earlier in the show, u.n. ambassador ni

or six people were present at the gathering on this date you mark judge leland at the time or leland kaiser now patrick p. j. smith dr ford it an unnamed boy do you know mark judge i do how do you know him. he was a friend at georgetown prep starting in ninth grade he's. someone we would in our you know group of friends were very friendly group in class who saw the letter that's been sent by my friends from georgetown prop. funny guy great writer. popular developed a serious addiction problem that lasted decades near death a couple times from his addiction. suffered tremendously from what is your relationship with him like now i would talk to him in a couple of years we've probably been on you know mass e-mails or group e-mails that go around our high school friends and how did you know patrick smith. also ninth grade. georgetown prep. went by p.j. than. he and i lived close to one another. played football together he was defensive tackle was quarterback and wide receiver we carpooled the school along with davis every year the three of us for two years i didn't have a car so one of the two

. >> kevin out judge, smith and her friend, leland kaiser said they don't remember anything like thisver happening. and leland kaiser said she doesn't even remember being at a party where kavanaugh was present. >> that actually corroborates ford's story that she was so horrified by this, she kind of snuck out or slunk out of this apartment in a way that no one would know what happened to come because she was so utterly mortified. >> tucker: are you following this at home? when you are corroborating witnesses can't corroborate your story, and that can be corroborated may be even more s so. certainly the rules washington was applying to the new yorker magazine dropped last night and one of cavanaugh's classmates at yale said, during a drunken party on campus, kavanaugh wagged his genitals in her face. while that sounds awful. but in those initial conversations with new york, the character was hesitant to confirm his role. after six days of consulting her memories and her attorney, she felt confident enough of her recollections to remember that kavanaugh had exposed himself at a drunken

you, mark judge, leland ingham at the time, leland kaiser now, dr. p.j. smith, dr. ford, and an unnamed boy. do you know mark judge? >> i do. >> how do you know him? >> he was a friend at georgetown prep starting in ninth grade. he's someone we would -- in it our, you know, group of friends, we were a very friendly group in class. you saw the letter that's been sent by my friends from georgetown prep. funny guy. great writer. popular. developed a serious addiction problem that lasted decades. near death a couple times from his addiction. suffered tremendously from -- >> what is your relationship with him like now? >> i haven't talked to him in a couple years. we've probably been on mass e-mails, our group e-mails, that go around among my high school friends. >> and how did you know patrick smith? >> also ninth grade. georgetown prep. went by p.j. then. he and i lived close to one another. played football together. he was defensive tackle. i was the cornerback. wide receiver. we carpooled to school along with dee davis. every year, the three of us for two years. i di

>> reporter: but to other high school friends named by ford also deny any knowledge, including leland kaiser whose lawyer said sheoes not know mr. kavanaugh and has no recollection of ever being at a party where he was present. however the washington post reports keyser told them she believes ford's a allegation. they say more than he said/she said evidence is neededth supre >> no, i'm not going to ruin his life over this but she should come forward, have her say. she'll be respectfully treated. >> senator dianne feinstein has called for a delay in light of the new claims and called for the fbi to investigate. >>> it is sentencing day for bill cosby. in just a few hours the 81-year-old actor will learn his fate. he was accused of drugged and molested her in 2004. with each count carrying up to 10 years, he could face decades behind bars. he continues to deny all allegations of sexual misconduct. >> judgment day has finally arrived for this convicted sexual predator. >> reporter: some of bill cosby's dozens of accusers and their attorney demand thing maximum penalty. >> and i'm looking forwar

ford, mark judge, leland kaiser and patrick smith, all three denied any knowledge of the incident for gathering described by dr. ford. scthout objectional entering the record. >> a number of letters to the witnesses family, friends including the has-been. >> i'll get to you as soon as the ranking member. >> i have three letters addressed to both you and the ranking member and i would ask that they be entered into the record. >> without objection. >> it is also my understanding that mr. judge is not willing to come forward to answer our questions. as awa result we cannot test his memory or make any assessment of his thoughtfulness or character. .. center. >> senator kennedy the statements that senator blumenthal talked about they were taken by the majority staff. >> those are already and they are. >> they were taken by majority staff? did minority staff participate? >> no. >> why not? >> you will have to ask them. >> with a instructed not to? >> they chose not to? >> that's right. >> if i may. >> can we be excused? >> if you wait just a minute i would like to thank doctor ford. in fact

. >> kavanaugh, judge, smith andgo her friend, leland kaiser, said they don't remember anything likehis ever happening. and leland kaiser said she believes florida part so she doesn't remember being doesn't even remember being at a at a party where kavanaugh was present >> that actually corroborates ford's story that she was so horrified by this, she kind of snuck out or slunk out of this apartment in a way that no one would know what happened because she was so utterly mortified. >> tucker: are you following this at home? see if you can track the reasoning here. when you are corroborating witnesses can't corroborate your story, your story has still been corroborated, may be even more so. those are the new rules here in the court of credibility. they are certainly meet the rules the washington is applying to the new story that "the new yorker" dropped last night. internet, one of kavanaugh's classmates said that kavanaugh wants wagged his genitals in her face. while that sounds awful. but in those initial conversations with "the new yorker," the character was hesitant toy, confirm hi

cooperate with the fbi but here is the quote from a letter, my client has already made clear, meaning leland kaiser she does not know judge kavanaugh and has no recollection of ever being at party or gathering where he was present with or without dr. ford. notably ms. kaiser does not refute dr. ford's account and she believes dr. ford's account however simple and unchangeddable truth is she's unable to corroborate because she has no recollection of the incident in question. mark judge who ford also says was at the party says he has no recollection of the events but will also cooperate, same thing for alleged party attendee patrick jay smith. republicans keep pointing to this sound bite from then judiciary committee member joe biden in the anita hill hearings. >> fbi explicitly does not in this or any other case reach a conclusion, period. so when people awe an fbi report before you, understand they do not, they do not, they do not reach conclusions. leland: to that point, some of kavanaugh's supporters are spinning this as a good thing saying saying the mere fact of fbi report will take away a key

do you know leland kaiser?” i have not seen him this thing. do you know leland kaiser?now of her, and it is possible i met her in high school at some point. i know of her, andi high school at some point. i know of her, and i do not want to rule out having crossed paths with her in high school. similar to your state m e nts high school. similar to your statements about knowing dr ford? correct. senator feinstein. judge kavanaugh, it is my understanding that you have denied the allegations by dr ford, mr ayres and denied the allegations by dr ford, mrayres and —— denied the allegations by dr ford, mr ayres and —— mr mears... denied the allegations by dr ford, mr ayres and -- mr mears. .. yes. all three of these women have asked the fbi to investigate their claims. i listened carefully to what you said, your concern is evident and clear, and if you're very confident of your position, and you appeared to be, why are you not also asking the fbi to investigate these claims? senator, i will do whatever the committee wants. i wanted a hearing today after the allegation came up.

leland kaiser said through her attorney she has no recollection of being at a party or gathering where kavanaugh was president. that is not "it did not happen." >> here's what mark judge said in his statement. he says i have no memory of the alleged incident. brett kavanaugh and i were friend. i don't recall the party described. more to the point, this is what he didn't read. i never saw brett act in a manner he described. this is the person in the room with him. but cory booker looks into the camera and makes that statement. i can'tn take him seriously.d. that's one of the main reasons. >> he's an admitted groper himself. he has his own me, too movement. bill clinton. >> how about tom carper who is a known wife beater, serving in the united states senate today. >> laura: why don't these women swarming jeff flake, do they know where ellison's office is, what did you do to your girlfriend, she has a record from her doctor. do you not stand with the girlfriend? >> yesterday, judge kavanaugh demonstrated a temperament that gave pause to a lot of people. that opened up the question for a l

and i will say of the three fact witnesses, the one who i think is most revealing is leland kaiser. miss carter was close friends with doctor ford. miss kaiser had every incentive to backup her story. and instead, miss kaiser under penalty of perjury says she doesn't know judge kavanaugh and she has no recollection of any party like the one doctor ford describes. doctor ford testified yesterday that miss kaiser texted her after submitting the statement to say she was sorry, sorry for not backing up her story. that indicates powerfully that her incentives if at all possible were to backup the story and yet she didn't feel she could. she had no incentive, no motive to lie. every incentive to agree with doctor ford's story and yet she did not do so. all three fact witnesses have explicitly disputed the allegations. what other evidence do we have? we have judge kavanaugh's calendars, detailed day today. when the calendars were first released there were press stories about them, i didn't find that terribly persuasive evidence until judge kavanaugh walked through day by day each of the pos

this from the attorney for leland kaiser saying his client will cooperate with the fbi.he third potentially crucial witness, part of this investigation. dprrs tail her important here and what we're learning about who will speak with with investigators over the next week. >> well, brett kavanaugh this time yesterday was a lot closer to the supreme court vote and now it has come to a screeching halt and the fbi is going to start this investigation, not a full blown criminal investigation, but a background investigation and as a part of that they're reaching out, the main allegation of course comes from christine ford and she has placed three people at the party. all three have said they don't have a recollection but each said we stroent don't have a recollection but we're happy to work with tfbi and one is a long-time friend of ford and she has said she had no recollection of the party but cnn learned late last night her attorney issued the statement the committee and said look, she's happy to cooperate. she has no recollection but she also wants to make clear that even th

one of those people is presumably leland kaiser, a long time friend of dr. ford's who said she couldn't remember the party that brett kavanaugh and mrs. ford attended. i wanted to point out a statement by ford's attorneys where they say they don't expect kaiser to have remembered the occurrence. it's not surprising that ms. kaiser does not remember the evening as they did not discuss it. she does not remember the gathering of which nothing of consequence happened to her. one other note as you mentioned, we are reporting from "the washington post" that kavanaugh spent several hours over the past few days at the white house going over what would be a mock confirmation hearing and testimony. being asked questions by white house aides pertaining to doctor ford's accusations. clearly the white house wants him to do well when he goes before the senate judiciary committee. >> thank you so much. let's talk about all of this with georgetown law professor emma coleman jordan. she was one of anita hill's attorneys and helped hill to prepare to testify against clarence

you mark, mark judge, leland kaiser, patrick pj smith, dr. ford and unnamed boy, do you know mark judge? >> i do. >> how do you know him? >> he was a friend at georgetown prep starting in ninth grade. he's someone in our, you know, group of friends, friendly group in class, you saw the letter that's been sent by my friends from georgetown prep. funny guy, great writer. popular, developed serious addiction problem that lasted decades, near death a couple of times from his addiction. suffered tremendously from -- >> what is your relationship with him like now? >> i haven't talked to him in a couple of years. >> okay, how did you know patrick smith? >> also ninth grade. georgetown prep, went by pj then. he and i i lived close to one another, played football together, he was defensive tackle as corner back, wide receiver, we carpooled to school along with davis for 3 years. i didn't have a car, one of the two would drive every day and i would be -- they would pick me up. .. ..

. >> leland kaiser now? >> correct. >> then would it be fair to say at least p.j., brett kavanaugh, mark judge, leland ingram at the ti and yourself were prese and possibly others? >> and one other boy. there were four boys. i just don't know the name of the other boy. >> have you been contacted by anybody saying, hey, i was at at the arty, too? >> no, i haven't talked with anyone from that party. >> okay. now, you've been detailed about what happened once you got up the stairs. so i don't need to go through that again. i'm sorry, go ahead. >> i just realized that i said something that was inaccurate. i said i hadn't spoken with yone from the party sinc then. i've spoken with leland. >> thank you for correcting that. i appreciate that. you've gone into detail about what happened when you went up the stairs. i don't feel it's necessary to go over those things aga. >> okay. thank you. >> have you told us everything b that you do re about it? >> i believe so. but if there are other questions, i can attempt to an

i will say of the three fact witnesses, the one who i think is most revealing is leland kaiser. miss kaiser was close friends with dr. ford. miss kaiser had every incentive to back up her story. instead, miss kaiser under penalty of perjury said she doesn't know judge kavanaugh and has no recollection of any party like the one dr. ford describes. dr. ford said miss kaiser texted her to say i'm sorry for not backing up her story. her incentives were to back up the story, yet she had no incentive and no motive to lie. every incentive to agree with dr. ford's story and yet she did not. all three fact witnesses have explicitly disputed the allegations. what other evidence do we have? judge kavanaugh's calendars. i have to say when the calendars were first released. i didn't find it terribly persuasive until he walked through day by day, each of the possible days when this was alleged to have happened and walked through how he was out of town for many of the days and how he had conflicts for many of the days and the notion that his calendars were like diaries. i think it's kind of od

>> leland. >> leland kaiser now? >> correct. >> okay. so then would it be fair to say at least p.j., brett kavanaugh, mark judge, leland ingham at the time and yourself were present and possibly others? >> one other boy. there were four boys. i just don't know the name of the other boy. >> have you been contacted by anybody saying, hey, i was at that party too? >> no, i haven't talked with anyone from that party. >> now, you've been detailed about what happened once you got up the stairs, so i don't need to go through that again. i'm sorry, go ahead. >> i'm sorry, i just realized that i said something that was inaccurate. i said i hadn't spoken with anyone from the party since then. i have spoken with leland. >> thank you for correcting that. i appreciate that. you've gone into detail about what happened once you went up the stairs so i don't feel like it's necessary to go over those things again. >> okay, thank you. >> have you told us everything that you do remember about it? >> i believe so, but if there are other questions i can attem

ford, leland kaiser whose attorney wrote the committee in part saying simply put ms. kaiser does not know mr. kavanaugh, and she has no recollection of ever being at a party or gathering where he was present, with or without dr. ford. dr. ford's attorneys responded to that saying in part as dr. ford has said, she did not share her story publicly or with anyone for years, following the incident with judge kavanaugh. it is not surprising that ms. kaiser has no recollection of the evening as they did not discuss it. it is also unremarkable that ms. keyser does not remember attending a specific gathering 30 years ago at which nothing of consequence happened to her. the details of this format are continuing to work out, we are also continuing to learn details on the outside of these allegations against judge kavanaugh and dr. ford's claim. eric? eric: garrett, thank you. arthel: for more on this we will bring in a former chief nomination counsel to the senate judiciary committee. a good person to have this morning. thank you for being here. >> thanks for having me. arthel:

oregon two other girls. >> that was me and one other girl. >> that other girl's name. >> leland. >> leland kaiser now? >> correct. >> then would it be fair to say at least p.j., brett kavanaugh, mark judge, leland ingram at the time and yourself were present and possibly others? >> and one other boy. there were four boys. i just don't know the name of the other boy. >> have you been contacted by anybody saying, hey, i was at the that party, too? >> no, i haven't talked with anyone from that party. >> okay. now, you've been detailed about what happened once you got up the stairs. so i don't need to go through that again. i'm sorry, go ahead. >> i just realized that i said something that was inaccurate. i said i hadn't spoken with anyone from the party since then. i've spoken with leland. >> thank you for correcting that. i appreciate that. you've gone into detail about what happened when you went up the stairs. i don't feel it's necessary to go over those things again. >> okay. thank you. >> have you told us everything that you do remember about it? >> i believe so. but if there are other question

what you said, the new york times reporting this morning that there's a third person, her name is leland kaiser, a friend of ford, she says she doesn't know kavanaugh and says she doesn't have any recollection of being at such a party. she was one of those named at least privately as ford -- >> she does say she believes the allegation. howard: but she has no first-hand knowledge. >> think of the challenge of something like this, this did happen 37 years ago and the media i think is struggling trying to identify appropriate sources, what happens when media -- or excuse me when memories get worn down. it is a very tough issue to cover. howard: what about the notion that some, perhaps for ideological reasons, are convicting kavanaugh in advance when in fact beyond christine ford's account there is at the moment there is no corroborating evidence? >> well, i think you are seeing it on both sides. i think, you know, we saw in the intro clip that there are obviously more liberal commentators that are saying, you know, this is it, he's guilty. you know, he's a scum bag, whatever. but you also see drud

. >> do you know leland ingham or leland kaiser? >> i know of her. it's possible, you know, i saw -- met her in high school at some point. some event. yeah, i k

one of the people likely to be interviewed is ford's friend, leland kaiser, who ford said was at thetook place. her lawyer says she, too, will cooperate but in a letter says, quote, my client has already made clear she does not know judge kavanaugh and has no recollection of ever being at a party or gathering where he was present with or without dr. ford. notably ms. kaiser does not refute dr. ford's account, and she has already told the press that she believes dr. ford's account. however, the simple and unchangeable truth is she is unable to corroborate it because she has no recollection of the incident in question. mark judge who ford also says was there says he has no recollection of the events but will also cooperate, same thing for alleged party attendee patrick j. smith. republicans keep pointing to this sound bite from joe biden in the anita hill hearings. >> fbi explicitly does the not, in this or any other case, reach a conclusion. period. >> reporter: to that point, some of kavanaugh's supporters are spinning this as a good thing, saying the mere fact of an fbi investigatio

far mark judge and others have said publicly conceiveabley what they're going to tell the fbi, leland kaiser saying i have no memory of this event multiple times, if the fbi comes back and says this is he said, she said, there's no corroborating evidence and there's four people who say this didn't happen, would you then say okay, time to support judge kavanaugh to be on the supreme court? >> well, let's see what the details are in that report. it may very well be that it is inconclusive, in which case that issue will be relevant. there are many other issues with regard to kavanaugh's position on very, very important matters that are as you said at the top of the show, the new session for the supreme court is now underway and they're going to be some extremely important issues, for example having to do with corruption, that is corruption in the electoral process. those are extremely important issues and kavanaugh has a position on those. leland: fair to say, just because an fbi investigation clears him conceiveabley, that's not enough to support him. >> that's correct. leland: thank you, sir.

last night one of the individuals, leland kaiser, a close friend of doctor ford became the fourth person to deny any knowledge of the incident. her attorney wrote the committee saying, sibley park, ms. kaiser does not know mr. kavanaugh and has no recollection of ever being at a party or gathering where he was present with or without doctor ford. the attorneys responded writing apart, it is not surprising ms. kaiser has no recollection of the evening as they did not discuss it. it's also not remarkable she doesn't attend them or bring a specific gathering 30 years ago in which nothing of consequence happened to her. they say they plan to defend her when hearings take place later this week thursday at 10 am. >> some huge hearings on capitol hill over the last two years but this one really could be the biggest. garrett tenney, thank you. be with that we bring in the michigan congressman, the senator from hawaii, senator hirono saying this on state of the union a couple minutes go. we will give you a reaction. >> doesn't kavanaugh have the same perception of innocence as anyone else in amer

all four under penalty of felony, including professor ford's long time friend leland kaiser. simply put, miss kaiser does not know mr. kavanaugh, does not have any recollection of being at a party or gathering where he was present with or without dr. ford. now, the fbi, performing a criminal investigation, they told us they will reach no conclusion in this. no charges will be filed. no recommendations will be made. that is the process. the fbi will simply interview the same witnesses like the sate judiciary committee interviewed. look into the same claims. write a report. the only possibility in this case is that one of the four people would reverse himself or herself. and if they did, they would be admitting they committed a felony. many times judge kavanaugh, he's happy to comply. he leased statement. it reads, quote, throughout this process i have been interviewed by the fbi. i have done a number of background calls directly with the senate. yesterday i answered questions under oath about every topic the senators and their counsel asked me. i have done everything they have

and party snell could be there at that party and leland kaiser will be an important person for the fbitalk to, the friend of dr. ford who was at the party with her that day. important to point out all of these people have put out statements on one level or another talking about their experience as it relates to the ford case, none of these people have been able to specifically corroborate her story. but, at the same time, none of them have been able to say definitive that will did not happen. this next week will be crucial. the big question is will any new information that could come forward that could change the minds of the senators that will ultimately have the final decision about brett kavanaugh's future. >> ryan nobles, we appreciate it so much. thank you. >>> joining us to discuss is julian zeleny, a historian and professor at princeton university and kelly jane torrance. let's start, first, the president and this 180 on the fbi and their ability to be useful in this investigation. do we have the sound bite? all right. let's play it. >> i don't think the fbi really should be inv

. >> leland kaiser? >> correct. >> would it be fair to say, at least, pj, brett kavanaugh, mark ingram atand kaiser, the time, yourself and possibly others? >> there were four boys at least, i do not know the name of the other. >> have you been contacted by anyone saying -- i was at the party? >> i have not. i have not talked to anyone from that party. you have been detailed about what happened once you have got up the stairs so i do not need to go through that again -- >> i said something inaccurate. i said i have not spoken with anyone from the party. i have spoken with leland. >> i do not feel like it is necessary to go over details once you went up the stairs. have you told us everything you remembered about it? >> i believe so. if there are other questions i can attempt to answer them. >> you said the music was coming from that room? >> correct. up once therned three of you are inside that room. >> yes. >> at some point, do you recall it being turned down? >> i don't remember if it was turned down o

gone to the other alleged eyewitnesses to this event, including mark judge, patrick smith, and leland kaiser. they would have taken statements from each of them nd those statements would have indicated, as they have each indicated in written statements submitted to this committee that they recall no such event ever occurring. so we have investigated. i, too, wish it would have been investigated by the f.b.i. and had it been investigated by the f.b.i. at the outset as it could have been, as it should have been, when these letters were received, then this could have been handled in a much more respectful to dr. ford. in a manner much more respectful to judge kavanaugh and respectful to both of their families and indeed this entire process. now, some have mentioned today that there was some emotion in the room yesterday. yes, certainly. these are emotional circumstances. my heart goes out to both dr. ford and her family and judge kavanaugh and his family. they've both been through a lot. i don't blame either one of them demonstrating some emotion. not for a moment. in the case of dr. ford, clea

the fbi could have interviewed mark judge, patrick smith, leland kaiser, you, and it judge kavanaugh these issues. the fbi could have examined various maps presented by the prosecutor on this committee. the fbi could have gathered facts about the music where the conversation or any other detail about the gathering that occurred that evening. that is standard procedure in a sexual assault case. in fact, the manual that was signed off by ms. mitchell, the manual that is posted on the county attorney's website as a guiding principle for what should happen with sexual assault cases, highlights the details of what should happen in terms of the need for an objective investigation into any sexual assault case. the investigation requires cooperation with a multidisciplinary team that includes medical professionals, victim advocates, dedicated forensic analysts, and other law enforcement members. the menu also stresses the importance of obtaining outside witness information you have bravely come forward. you have briefly come forward. and i want to thank you because you clearly have nothing t

all four under penalty of felony, including professor ford's long time friend leland kaiser. simply put, miss kaiser does not know mr. kavanaugh, does not have any recollection of being at a party or gathering where he was present with or without dr. ford. now, the fbi, performing a criminal investigation, they told us they will reach no conclusion in this. no charges will be filed. no recommendations will be made. that is the process. the fbi will simply interview the same witnesses like the sate judiciary committee interviewed. look into the same claims. write a report. the only possibility in this case is that one of the four people would reverse himself or herself. and if they did, they would be admitting they committed a felony. many times judge kavanaugh, he's happy to comply. he leased statement. it reads, quote, throughout this process i have been interviewed by the fbi. i have done a number of background calls directly with the senate. yesterday i answered questions under oath about every topic the senators and their counsel asked me. i have done everything they have

. >> leland kaiser now? >> correct. >> okay. so then would it be fair to say at least pj, brett kavanaugh, mark judge, leland ingram at the time and yourself were present and possibly others. >> and one other boy. there were four boys. i just don't know the name of the other boy. >> have you been contacted by anybody saying, hey, i was at that party, too? >> no, i haven't talked with anyone from that party. >> okay. now, you've been detailed about what happened once you got up the stairs, and so i don't need to go through that again. i'm sorry, go ahead. >> you know, i'm sorry, i just realized that i said something that was inaccurate. i said i hadn't spoken with anyone from the party since that -- i have spoken with leland. >> okay. thank you for correcting that. i appreciate that. you've gone into detail about what happened once you went up the stairs, so i don't feel like it's necessary to go over those things again. >> okay. thank you. >> have you told us everything that you do remember about it? >> i believe so, but if there

. >> do you know leland ingham or leland kaiser? >> i know of her. it's possible, you know, i saw -- met her in high school at some point. some event. yeah, i know her. i know of her. again, i don't want to rule out having crossed paths with her in high school. >> similar to your statements about knowing dr. ford? >> correct. >> senator feinstein. >> judge kavanaugh, it's my understanding that you have denied the allegations by dr. ford, mrs. ramirez and mrs. is that correct? >> yes. >> all three of these women have asked the fbi to investigate their claims. i listened carefully to what you said. your concern is evident and clear. if you're very confident of your position and you appear to be, why aren't you also asking the fbi to investigate these claims? >> senator, i'll do whatever the committee wants. i wanted a hearing the day after the allegation came up. i wanted to be here that day. instead, ten days passed where all of this nonsense is coming out, you know, that i'm in gangs, i'm on boats in rhode island. i'm in colorado. i'm cited all over

her friend leland kaiser told the "washington post" that while she doesn't remember the party she believes ford's story. that's why a full investigation is crucial here. and if you think she is credible or if you think he is credible, there's one man who holds the key to getting to the truth of that, and that man is mark judge. not testifying. didn't testify. that's kavanaugh's friend. the man christine blasey ford says was in the room when kavanaugh assaulted her, allegedly assaulted her. now, if judge kavanaugh is innocent, the question is why doesn't he want his old friend to testify? >> mark judge was a close friend of yours in high school. now, dr. ford as you know has said that he was in the room when she was attacked. she also says you were too. unfortunately, the fbi has never interviewed him. we have not been able to have his attendance here. the chairman refuses to call him. if she's saying mark judge was in the room then, he should be in the room here today. would you want him called as a witness? >> senator, this allegation came into the committee -- >> no, i'm just asking the

her friend leland kaiser said it is not true, she has not en met or been in a room with judge kavanaugh. to we have one person's statement on theer side -- >> i'm sorry to interrupt. i want make sure we're respectful of the time you have with us and the points are made in the testimony we covered in full earlier today. so i want to get your experience and reaction to what you heard today. you did mention you cried watching some of the testimony. judge kavanaugh himself was holding backears at several points. i'm wondering, in the years you've known him, have you ever seen h that emotional and that sort of dent in any way, professional or otherwise? >> i have not. he's a sensitive person. he has a very gentle soul and, as a friend of his, as a formerh colleagus always been sensitive to my life issues, and people need to understand that his -- everything he has worked for, an exemplary life, is on thline here because of unsubstantiated allegatiopp that were d on him at the last minute, and it's not partisan to say that. it is a fact that none of this was brought forward until days before

they reaffirm what they have said, particularly the female friend who says she didn't know -- >> leland kaiser standard for anyone. and i swear to you, i would say the same thing who is a democrat in the situation, even if i didn't like their jurisprudence. it's just -- >> senator turner, take a listen to lisa murkowski, the senator from alaska, who is in favor of this delay. just moments ago, talking about her feelings about it. >> senator murkowski, how do you feel about what has been agreed to? >> i think it was a good step today. thank you. thank you! >> safe travels. >> having to close your door with the pesky reporters around. but you have murkowski and collins. this, actually, assuming that more information, more damning information, doesn't come out from this fbi investigation, this might make it easier for collins and murkowski to vote yes. because at the end of the day, if there is a delay and nothing comes back, they can say, you know, we went -- we bent over backwards to make sure that professor ford was heard. >> just the pure politics, absolutely. it might make it easier. but the

. >> leland kaiser now? >> correct. >> is it fair to say tj mark kavanaugh long - - judge kevin and mark judge and you were present quick. >> and another boy. there were four boys i don't know him. >> have you been contacted to say i was at that party. >> now. i have not. >> you have been detailed what happened once you got up the stairs and we don't need to go through that again. >> i just said something inaccurate i have spoken with leeland. >> thank you for correcting that. you go into this detail about what happened once you went up the stairs so it is unnecessary to go over that again. >> thank you. >> have you told us everything you do remember abouto e it? >> i believe some of their other questions i can attempt to answer. >> you said solely coming from that room? >> the three of you were inside the room? >> at some point was that turn down quick. >>oi i don't remember that leaving the house. but i could hear them walking downn' the stairs very clearly from the bathroom. >> i could hear them very clea

gham,mark judge, leland in or leland kaiser, patrick smith, dr. ford, and an unnamed boy. do you know mark judge? >> i do. he was a friend at georgetown prep starting in ninth grade. is someone in our group of veryds, we were a friendly group in class. you solve the letter from my friends at the georgetown prep. populary, great writer, , developed a serious addiction ,roblem that lasted decades near-death couple of times from sufferedtion, tremendously >> what is your relationship like him now. >> i have not talked to him in a couple of years. we have been om group emails that can go around among my high school friends. >> how did you know patrick smith? >> also ninth-grade. georgetown prep. he went by pj then. he and i lived close to one another. we played football together, he was the defensive tackle. alongpooled to school with d davis. the three of us, two years. one ofot have a car so the two of them would drive every day and they would pick me up. >> what is your relationship like with him now? >> he lives in the area, i see him once in a while. i've not seen him sin

my staff reached out to other individuals allegedly at the party, mark judge, patrick smith, leland kaiser, all three submitted statements to the senate under penalty of felony denying any knowledge of the events described by dr. ford. dr. ford's life-long friend miss kaiser stated she doesn't know judge kavanaugh and doesn't recall ever attending a party with him. my staff made repeated requests to interview dr. ford during the past 11 days. even volunteering to fly to california to take her testimony. but her attorneys refused to prevent -- present her allegations to congress. i never -- i nevertheless honored her request for a public hearing so dr. ford today has the opportunity to present her allegations under oath. as you can see the judiciary committee was able to conduct thorough investigations into allegations or internal investigations into allegations. some of my colleagues consistent with their stated desires to obstruct kavanaugh's nomination by any means necessary pushed for an fbi investigation into the allegations. but i have no authority to force the executive branch agency

>> leland. >> leland kaiser now. >> correct. >> okay. to say at least pj, brett kavanaugh, mark judge, leland ingram at the time, and yourself were present and possibly others. >> one other boy. there were -- i just don't know his name. >> have you been contacted by anybody saying "hey, i was at that party too?" >> no, i have not had contact with anybody at that party. >> now, you have been detailed about what has happened when you got up the stairs. i don't need to go through that again. i'm sorry, go ahead. >> i just realized i said something that was inaccurate. i said i hadn't spoke with anyone at the party. i have spoken with leland. >> thank you for correcting that. i appreciate that. you have gone into detail about what happened once he went up the stairs. i don't feel like it is necessary to go over those things again. >> okay. thank you. >> have you told us everything that you do you remember about it? >> i believe so, but if there are other questions, i can attempt to answer them. >> okay. you said about the music was solely co