i said, leland melvin. she said, i've been looking for you. she's like, you're going to work at nasa. i'm like, no, i'm not. we're having this conversation, she's shutting the booth down, she says, well, come help me take my pamphlets to my car. i'm like, who is this woman, you know? [laughter] we go to her car, and she says, you know, i want you to think about it. so i go down, i do an interview, i look around and i get a job offer from nasa by the time i get home. and i said to myself, you know, they've got some really cool stuff, i can get my ph.d. there, all these different things. it was like a campus environment. my interview with joe hayman was incredible. he was a physicist. he said you can come here and just think and create and do what you feel will help civilization. really? [laughter] so that was, that was a good, you know, just a good, positive interview. and i felt i could do some good things. my experience at nasa was pretty phenomenal. i remember the first time i realized that people didn't appreciate, you know, the education t

i said leland melvin. she said i've been looking for you. you're going to work at nasa. unlike no. we had this conversation. she shutting the booth down. she says come help you take my pamphlets to my car. unlike who is this woman, you know? we go to her car and she says i want you to think about it. so i go down. i do an interview. i look around and get a job offer from nasa by the time i get home. i said to myself, they've got some really cool stuff. i can get my phd there, all these different things. it was like a campus environment. my interview with joel heyman was incredible. he was a physicist picky said you can come in and just think and create and do what you feel will help civilization. really? so that was a good, just a good positive interview. i i felt i could do some good things. my experience at nasa was pretty phenomenal. i remember the first time i realized that people didn't appreciate the education that i had from uva was when a technician, i was going to get a model, get some stuff made by this one technician and he said to me, when did you go to? i said universi