it's a lemming caucus. it's guys who meet privately. they're always conspiring. it's mostly just about power. and it's just gotten us nowhere. >> but if that's the case, and if they're lemmings, and if you actually understand simple math that you can't get this done, then why not be more aggressive? i mean, i know there's sort of growing number of people like you who want to pass a clean bill to fund the government and just move on. >> a clear majority of the republican party in the houses right? >> it seems that way. so why not put your vote where your mouth is? >> well first of all you have to vote on what's in front of you. >> why not john boehner can put whatever he wants in front of you. >> yeah. so if you want to do that, and start bringing down rules basically is what you're talking about, talking about doing the same thing that got us in this mess in the first place. so the leadership made a decision to take the position that we are going to take the ted cruz strategy and we are not going to fund the government until we get rid of obama care. >> why do yo

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clip and videotaped this and said lemmings create mass suicide, giving lemmings a bad rap.uys, you know, trying to explain what is going on in washington, how to get out of this, what the situation is and how to get out of it with the metaphor or some other colorful way, how would you explain it to people? >> i'm in a brad wistrom camp. he said i've seen jihads, terrorism, guys with bombs strapped to their chests, that's not what this is. we might maybe get something done, maybe, i don't know. >> when it comes to the way to negotiate, i think of the kid or sometimes an adult who loses a game and says, okay, best two out of three and then loses two, and says best three out of five. that's the way i looked at this and -- in the context, the last two years of negotiation. every negotiation has ended in failure with mostly republicans saying, but the next time we're going to try this again and we'll play by a slightly different rule, next time. i keep -- it is -- i think -- i can't think of anything overarching, an imal metaphor fr the entire thing. >> i was definitely that kid

"lemmings with suicide vest.y have to be more than just a lemming because jumping to your death is not enough. you have this group saying somehow if you're not with them, you're with obama care. if you're not with their plan, exactly what they want to do, you're with obama care. it's getting a little old." i'm a liberal, a little confession, and i'm inclined to think republicans are crossing into extreme new territory by holding up government funding after losing an election to destroy a signature piece of legislation of the country's majority party, a piece of legislation that was passed by both houses, signed by the president, deemed constitutional and extensively litigated in the last presidential election, one whose main goal is to give millions of americans access to health care. there are republicans just as perplexed as i am by the republican strategy. and let's talk to some. >> joining me, economist bruce bartlett and michael lofgren, i don't know if this comes from their fundamentalist religious outlook

it's kind of an insult to lemmings to call them lemmings. they say you guys ever watch candles? remember long duk dong at the end? that's going to be us tomorrow, waking up on the grass, crashed automobile. that's us. the white house believes it has public opinion on its side and a quinnipiac poll out this morning seems to back them up. 72% of americans say they oppose shutting down the government as a means of blocking the health care law. just 22% support that method. and just in case republicans want to get a taste of what the bully pulpit looks like, at 12:01 a.m. the president obliged, releasing a taped message to u.s. troops. >> unfortunately, congress has not fulfilled its responsibility. it's failed to pass a budget, and as a result much of our government must show now shut down until congress funds it again. >> of course now the question is how long will this shutdown last? nbc's kelly o'donnell is live on capitol hill. she had a later night than i did. kelly, let's start with we know what harry reid is going to do in 24 minutes. th

it's a myth that lemmings seek to commit suicide. so that congressman was incorrect.at should we call the cozy chair other of our new the real story? #the real story? what should we call them? there they are. should they be cozy chairs or something else. e-mail us@therealstory at foxnews.com. gretchen underscore pinterest and gretchen under score instagram. >>> and coming up tomorrow, we're going to have that dwi woman, dana holmes i believe her name is, she's going to join us exclusively tomorrow to tell us her harrowing story, being charged with dui, and strip-searched by four police officers and left nude in her jail cell. she's going to join us live. thanks for being part of "the real story" today. "studio b with shepard smith" starts right now. with trey gallagher. in for shepard. >>> president obama is about to play host to leaders of congress as a partial government shutdown enters its second day. but even as all sides sit down to talk, there are now big questions about whether anybody is ready to blink. >>> then, a man calls 911 after a freak accident. his gir

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lem leverage with his open members.hat kind of face saving members will be put in there so john boehner can say i didn't get nothing and what will be put this there so the president can possibly say i never negotiated on the debt ceiling. >> the interesting thing i heard this morning was gene sperling asked specifically about a temporary increase in the debt creeling so they can have this big discussion speaker boehner wants. take a listen. >> the longer the debt limit isn extended, the greater economic certainty there will be in our economy which will be better for jobs and growth and investment. the important thing is that they not threat en default and that they not put our country on the brink of that. >> so two or three week temporary stop gap extension is not out of the question? >> again, i think that longer is better for economic certainty and jobs. but it is ultimately up to them. >> it wasn't a no. >> no, it wasn't a no. and if the purpose of a short term cr and short term debt ceiling was to allow for negotia

we had to cut away right now we had plob lems there but no 72 hour strike noots negotiations will continue. there is no strike notice at this moment. two more days are scheduled until thursday. but again no, strike flts issued just now. >> if fl is a strike anthony joins with us a look at the decoration autos if there is a strike bart will bring in more buses. it is october and there are more cars on the road, about 10% more than in july. all in all, transit official as agree that chances of a disruption are high. bring on bus was possibility of another strike bart planning to charter more than double of number of buses during last strike in july. >> with signed contracts to have service into san francisco during peak of the commute. >> 200 buses commuters. last time ac transit picked up slack but now unions rejected a second contract proposal there is a possibility day two could strike. >> prospect of an ac transit strike is serious. prospect of a bart strike is very serious. but the two together and it's terrible. >> the san francisco bay ferry service will be trying to fill in the gaps

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drover lem down a little closer to capitol. and then helicopter landed and they transfered him from the ambulance to helicopter. >> now witnesses say the man really did not say much although one of the men had came to his aid one of joggers said, that man said, thank you right before he was put on that stretcher and taken to the helicopter to be treated. tonight again we astaepbsd critical condition. but his identity and page and any information pertaining to him and what might have happened here has not been released in that's latest. fox five news. as we said maureen bizarre one in our nation's capital. thank you. >> we learning more about the? accused ramming gate white us and led police on case through capitol hill. investigator say marian was did he lugsal thought president obama was communicating with her. officer shot kill this woman yesterday near capital building her mother suffer ising from post pair yum depression lost her job dental hygienist and recorrectly suffered hid injury. taking fall. >> both at the white hou

there is a connection between syria and iraq, especially with the is lemming state of iraq. >> is serious the main cause of the uptick in violence we are seeing in the country right now? >> you have to remember that during the search of 2007-2009, when the u.s. went in, they were able to bring some sort of calm into the country. with the aftermath of the departure of u.s. forces and the absence -- iraq has no combat helicopter with the ability to strike and so on. they are able to be funded now. there is a great deal of financing going on, and basically the same tribes that go across these elastic borders with syria and iraq and saudi arabia, it forms a great deal of the base for these terrorists. we have seen the uptick of violence in syria and the flow of money and arms and so on that aided the situation. >> what about the iraqi army? are they equipped to handle this type of situation? >> the iraqi army was basically destroyed or dissolved back in 2003. ever since then they have been trying to reconstitute their army, but so far, the sectarian aspect of loyalty and the structure of the

>> well, we saw a few more defections today, including one who called his tea party colleagues "lemmings going over a cliff." he thinks this is a losing strategy. but you're really only looking at about eight house republicans who have gone public with their disagreement with about 200 of their colleagues. so that's not enough to turn the ship around right now, scott. >> pelley: we'll check in with you tomorrow, nancy. thanks very much. wall street took the shutdown in stride. the dow gained 62 points today, snapping a two-day losing streak. world war ii veterans found a way to get around the government shutdown. the police had a big announcement today in a terrifying road rage attack. and the pope made news by what he said about some of his predecessors when the "cbs evening news" continues. you raise her spirits. we tackled your shoulder pain. you make him rookie of the year. we took care of your cold symptoms. you take him on an adventure. tylenol® has been the number 1 doctor recommended brand of pain reliever for over 20 years. but for everything we do, we know you do so much more.

you've been calling them the lemming caucus. you've said their strategy is moronic. your fellow republicans. the fact that here we are two days before a potential default and they're still making noise about a bill that john boehner clearly brought up to give them one more shot at making their stand, what does that tell you about that particular part of your kcaucus? >> first of all, your premise is wrong. these are not conservatives that do this. to be a conservative, you have to know how to count. we started off in this without counting the votes. clearly we didn't have the votes. we've been through this for two weeks. it's playing out exactly as we knew it would. it was not going to get rid of obama care. but there are times when we were closely using our majority, like we'll try to do tonight. if we can use our majority tonight to give us leverage, i think harry reid will have to take this or something that looks a lot like it. >> those are fighting words. i know you've been very critical of your fellow republicans, but to say that they're not conservative. >> we

. >> it's not tea party caucus, it's a lemming caucus. they meet separately, always conspiring, and it's just gotten us nowhere. >> congressman kelly, now, i don't know if he's talking about you, but i do have a question. you know, the writing is on the wall. i agree with congressman nunes. why not just get this over with. this isn't about anything bus reply wall power, why doesn't the speaker just bring this to a vote with a bipartisan majority and end the shutdown? >> i think that's an easy thing to say, and hard thing to do. i admire the speaker allowing everybody to have their say, and one thing that was lost, it's not about either party. the unforgotten party is the american people. so we say what's best for the american people. as we go forward what is best? i think the founders were very clear from the beginning. some of the legislation is not good, so they have given us different mechanisms to try and push back on things we don't think are basically fair. fair to me means no one gets favor over somebody else. >> you're talking abo

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. >> born in se lem, oregon, when did your family move to washington state? >> we moved to washington state when i was a junior in high school. both sides of my family had deep roots in the pacific northwest. came out to the northwest on the oregon trail. and my mom's family was in the timber industry. my dad's family had always been in agriculture. so i've grown up involved in agriculture. my family owned an orchard and fruit stand in kettlefalls, washington where i raised cherries, peaches, and apricots. it was where i really learned a good work ethic and got -- had the experience of working alongside my brother as well as my parents in building that business and the success of that business. and it was a great experience for me. and i'm -- i'm grateful to my parents and my dad has a high school education and my mom had a scholarship to go to oregon state but dropped out as a freshman when her dad passed away. she was determined that her kids were going to graduate from college. i'm grateful for the sacrifice my parents made so i could go to college, my bro

their own party the few sensible ones are attacking the extreme fringe in the party and calling them lemmings with suicide vests and it is destroying the republican party and their legacy go ahead keep going. >> to raise awareness and generate conversation about obama care. it is going to be a disaster for this country and what he has done is started a national conversation about the problems with obama care which we have already seen. >> speaking of obama carry want to touch on how many people have actually signed up now. official numbers won't be out until next month. it is more of a trickle than a flood. 7 people in the state of louisiana signing up. cigna reports that it saw no enrollments and a congressman from kansas claims not one person had successfully signed up on day one. >> this is one of republicans can claim as one of their successes. they try and destroy and destroy and destroy. they denied fundi ining request then we have these snafoos of course it doesn't work you have been trying to dose troy it all along. >> isn't this why it should have been delayed. >> is it the republica

. >> in the next hour, don lem monl talks to the lead detective more than 20 years ago.th us on cnn news room. obama needs that deadline to pressure. >>> no one loves a deadline like congress, or at least so it would seem. >> the fight seems to last a few more days. senator rand paul talked about his frustration. >> i think it is untenable for the prth to say he won't negotiate. he is talking to us, which i think is ne gauche jags, but he's also saying i will not pay for this with a debt ceiling. it's sort of him saying unconditional surrender. so, really, in 2011, we added the sequestered. that was a good thing. we need to add more con frols and restrant to government spending. this is precise lid the time to do it. he's unlikely to ne doe v gauche yat when he doesn't have a dependline. >>> john, not a lot of optimism here. are we going to sweat it it akrostz the country. squl it sure looks that way at the moment. i say there's nothing hamming right now. she disz doesed at the top of the program, gu no progress was made. this is the way washington tends to work out. if

and i can only echo the republican house member who accused his colleagues of being suicidal lemmings. >> again we're not asking for anything in return for them to do the fundamental responsibility without trauma or delay. >> referring to the congressman of california that itell on house republicans the attacks of health care are getting old that the white house hopes is a sign of the g.o.p. what to do next. lou: and henry. for the 19 hours as the government afraid of offending the house and senate are not a part -- a far apart on the deal the house -- the senate rejected any mention of obamacare in senator harry reid will not negotiate in any negotiation that could have avoided the showdown. like emmanuel has the latest for us from capitol hill. >> house republican leadership next pl has a veto threat from the white house that funding three emergency bill so veterans can get benefits and reopen the national parks and monuments to allow the district of columbia the government to function. this speaker sounded aggravated it would not agree to a meeting. >> they not only rejected that b

kelly's car with her infant and 10-year-old sage in the backseat was left teeters on the lem of the bridgeow. baby milo crying in the back. but from sage, silence. >> i'm yelling sage, sage, and there's nothing. nothing at all. and i figured she must be dead. >> until a whisper came from the back. sage was alive, injured and kelly thought she didn't have much time. >> at that point, it was just scream, someone, anyone to get us out of here. >> get them out, they did. the whole family survive 37d. then came the coroner's report on that truck driver showing he had methamphetamines in his system. >> i thought accidents happen. and we were so lucky, but when the drug issue brought up, this wasn't an accident. it could have been prevented. >> it's a problem. >> reporter: that's why some police go through the drug recognition training where they're caught to recognize seven different drug cat gores that may impair a driver. this officer is dre certified. >> put your left foot on the line. >> we watched for over an hour as he and another officer performed the dre test on this woman. the officer's

it's been a disaster to this point, not only for the team, but the special teams that will be a big lem>> there's a lot of talk about it all and the interference with the referee call for them. and just the craziness of tonight. anything that could have gone wrong, they really didn't go wrong for the team. a positive note out of this, seeing them on out there moving their legs as they took some serious hits today and they still got up, looking pretty good. now, what impresses you with the speed? >> you can see it right there with the big speed back. and it is not with that big speed that they had last year. but definitely a weapon again. earlier this season that it wasn't there, hobbled, using his leg there as you can see them outrun defenders, getting caught for the last few seasons. using his leg as a weapon. and it will help the play action to throw on the run there, throwing the football, but again, they'll be using their legs, the dimension that they have been missing offensively that it did not work enough as they did not have enough to put them on there tonight. >> a big loss fro

leadership and what the strategy is for leadership moving forward and have called some gop lawmakers lemmings>> when we first started out on this traty, i thought it was a big mistake to basically say that we were going to get rid of obamacare, there was a lot of ads that ran for three months. i thought we had the moral high ground on the individual mandate because president obama put in the employer exemption for a year delay. i think we should have fought on that for three months. instead, i think we're giving our base, and i'm a conservative republican just like holouie, we're giving our base the impression that we're going to defund obamacare and we just don't have the votes to do that. >> i don't think anybody is mistaken and thinks that we're going to completely get rid of obama care, i don't think so. but when the president himself gives hundreds and hundreds of waivers and exemptions to his cronies and now to big business, delays things for a year, the thing is, the second thing we sent down was nothing but a delay for a year. i mean people aren't able to sign up, they're not getting

they want a bunch of back lemmings to follow them wherever they go.ian. hey, i would be dressed like poke pochants. >> everybody on halloween wear a sombrero. everybody. we're not being as offensive as close as we can get. hold these two guys over. the pinhead of the week. one of them a very high profile guy. factor is coming right back. my wife takes centrum silver. i've been on the fence about it. then i read an article about a study that looked at the long term health benefits of taking multivitamins. they used centrum silver for the study... so i guess my wife was right. [ male announcer ] centrum. always your most complete. . . >> back of the book segment tonight. pinheads of the week. here once again bernard mcguirk and greg gutfeld. a story sean hannity who talked with somebody trying to give information about obama care, right, on the phone? pick it up from there. >> sean called 1-800 number which he does a lot. he got irlien davis who worked for general dynamics which is like a call center to answer questions. >> there is irlien. >> she was b

anyone near a microphone or tape recorder on tap kol hill was saying ted cruz is a maniac, this is lemmings with suicide vests. i vants been hearing as much of that today as people have decided they're in the bunker together or they either hang to the or surely they'll hang separately. >> reporter: when you saw the moment that the moderates rose up as high as we've seep them so far was during that procedural motion late on monday night. congressman peter king was saying he had a number of people who were going to vote with him. and i talked to him after that because it failed spectacular lay. he was essentially on his own. what he said was boehner had asked for personal favors from all those people and said essentially, trust me. and peter king described that as saying trust me, it will all work out in the end. so to a certain extent, you also have to think in the broader context of this with house speaker john boehner, the position that he's in. he took the most heat after he was willing to cut a deal that many of these right wing republicans saw as unacceptable. so for him to come out of

he still wants to be the leaders of the lemmings with suicide vests as one republican member of congress called them. he was the only one that wanted to do this the last time around. i don't see how the republican party gets out of this endless cycle of continuing purity tests and continue meandering to the right. >> krystal ball and former dmpb -- >> i was about to say that's a great point. this is going to be a big test for the republican party coming up in january. >> no doubt about it. former governor ed rendell, krystal ball again, thank you both for being here. and be sure to catch krystal on "the cycle" week days at 3:00 p.m. eastern right here on msnbc. >>> ahead, big news in georgia. there's now a federal investigation into the mysterious death of high school student kendrick johnson. i'll speak live with his parents. >>> plus here comes palin and bachman shredding the truth about this president. not so fast. >>> and why the right wingers are using spongebob, yes, spongebob to attack the safety net? you'll want to see this one. my insurance rates are probably gonna double. but,

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why is priebus one of the lemmings running towards a freshman senator who's only been in congress a half year? >> and i can't speak to the rationale behind it other than the idea about fund raising. that part of the base that is ginned up in this are going to write a check. and so i think as i said at the time, that was not a playing field for the party to present itself in terms of taking sides. the majority leader, the speaker have carved out the pathway. the party has to rally behind that. and part of boehner's problem right now is that he's in a corner and he's not in a face-off with obama, he's in a face-off with his own people. and so how does he now turn that face around to confront in a unified fashion the administration? and i think to the governor's point, the battle is not about obama care. there are ways we could have dealt with obama care without going -- coming to this point. the real test is going to be the debt ceiling. that's where the argument is for the american people. >> the way to get rid of obama care is constitutional. the way it was enacted. you get elected enoug

and there is my data lem ma. all i can do in the end is say:. the summer before joshua died, i never told him no when he asked me a ride. we argued and forgot we argued. each time joshua invited me to come along with him, i felt special that he'd ask. pleased that he wanted to spend time with me. after he died, i wondered if he knew. the last time we road the one i remember most clearly. he wore gene -- jane shorts. i followed him out the front door. it was night and the air was wet and warm. when he got in the car the seats tell damp. when he cranked the car it scratched to life and we rolled down the windows manually. the knobs were slick. immediately his radio sounded. he played sounds on the stereo from me that beat obscenely because the speakers were so loud. years later i can only remember one of the songs. it was the last. "all i got is you." i got something i want to play for you, joshua said. he turned umm the music, blasted it. this is for all the families. this is for yours, i heard. the trunk rattled. thinking about the past whether

to help us understand the significance of the muss lem world, we turn to middle east history professor juan cole, annays contributor and he joins us from new orleans. good to see you, juan cole. >> hi, thomas. >> this is a significant spiritual event for the muslim community around the world. why is this so centra to islam? >> islam has five pillars and one of them is that every able-bodied muslim should try to make the pilgrimage once in a lifetime if they can afford to do so. >> this is a multi-day event lasting a week. take us through the pilgrimage to the hage. >> a lot of people, it's note part of the hang, itself. a lot of people arrive a day early. they go to visit the shrine. the tomb of the prophet, mohammed in nearby medina and they will come on and begin the hage in the holy city of mecca. there is a shrine, the caba or the cube-shaped black building. people circumambulated. they chant, we are here, 0 lord, and then they go onto a nearby valley the next day and ultimately, they gather in the plain of arafat, which is a commemoration of peace and unity. it's maybe the world's