. >>> plus, lena kahn on the hill yesterday for an ftc confirmation hearing known as a tech critic theiden administration moving away from consumer harm when it comes to antitrust regulation, deirdre, and that, to me, is the issue. if the u.s. moves to more of a european-style approach to antitrust regulation, where it's more about competition, less about consumer harm, does that result in more of a european-style tech ecosystem? which investors i think would agree would not be a good thing? >> right that sort of makes investors wake up and take the regulations seriously. seen indications could be moving there. progress very slow, carl the key question, i think anti-trust regulators will have to think about, are these companies, the spotifies, are they successful because of the app store ecosystem, which their commissions helped pay for, or successful despite it? it's probably somewhere in the middle. >> yeah. amy klobuchar, john, chairs the antitrust panel judiciary said yesterday capitalism is about competition. about new competitor emerging and this situation, to me, she says, doesn