creative path, then even when she was a member of art commissions in... and the council and the leningrad fiz factorythe leningrad fiz factory - what is that for us? the leningrad factory, she was in the management there, but in general she lived in leningrad or in moscow, in general, as far as i understand, she lived in moscow in leningrad, but in leningrad she had two very serious positions, this is the artistic director leningrad art glass factory and accordingly, this is also her work, yes, yes, this is her work and she was in the artistic... in the modern world, designers work exactly like this: before making some project, well , any project, not only a designer, an architect, yes, all the people involved in design, who are engaged in this activity, they first of all look, follow everything in this direction, that is , she did not have a purely creative interest, but she really wanted to make the life of every soviet person better, so that they have some normal dishes appeared, and... dear friends, we continue our conversation about vera mukhina, my guests are the founder of the moscow design mu