and then he picked up himself the guy who was one of his students at the law school of the leningrad university, and that was putin. ever since putin proved to be a very efficient guy. he was actually helpful in resolving some of the economic issues on the leningrad regional level, and he was just noticed by the kremlin business administration. it was president yeltsin who said why do they have less problems with food and supplies in st. petersburg, unlike moscow? so i had a good guy, an assistant who knows how to handle things. that's when our putin was invited to the kremlin business administration. he was put in charge -- as number two man in charge of russian property abroad, and that began his new career. he was really actively involved in many things, which made him sort of in the end, well, the leader of -- he eventually became the leader of russia. though it's in the public domain, president putin, when he was -- i mean, president yeltsin, when he retired, he was interviewed a few years later after his retirement. he was asked a question, and it's in public domain but not widely known.