of people that are tired of hillary clinton, and bill clinton, and james carville popping up and lenny davis, same old davis. kennedy: like a donald rumsfeld, and dick cheney. >> i hear you, here is problem with that, it is wrong, most people like her,. kennedy: you couldn't name a karris magic candidate. >> do they love her. kennedy: she is not charismatic. >> i concede, but -- kennedy: what does she have? >> you have a ton of money away up in poll, she is hugely higher than any democrat or republican in race, and she will probably win. kennedy: it kind of matters but if you want your president to be a good trustworthy solid individual. >> make that argument i don't like her, and view is good but don't pretend she is not a hugely potent political force. kennedy: i will say, the e-mail scandal has not touched her poll numbers, they have notoved. people say, she is not trust worthy, i would vote for her, what do you rack that up to. >> among her base, ellis said people like her, i don't know if there is a deep affect for her like when reactio reagan was al. she has that momentum going for her