lenny de lyon? >> she has worked with elia -- hea hae has worked with eliana z as a daycare provider for their son. lenny had many interactions with lopez. lenny testified as to her demeanor, her state of mind, and i will leave it at that. >> commissioners? >> it seems to me that based on the breadth we allow for the mayor, with respect to perceptions of key witnesses around the time of the incident, we should at least take a declaration. >> i agree. >> any objections? >> we decided we did not need to hear from mr. keene, because you guys are going to work out a stipulation. is that still the case? >> i would add the testimony by a declaration is relevant and would be valuable in your deliberations, because jan dempsey, as a retired undersheriff, can testify that sheriff mirkarimi, prior to taking the oath of office, was not performing the duties of sheriff, despite what the city attorney has alleged in their briefing. >> obviously, you are not quick to object to them bringing in a deputy. >> underst