but lentz would prefer you focus on his preaching rather than his wardrobe. from visiting inmates because prison staff thought he looked more like a criminal than a cleric. >> it's so funny when people make comments about the way we look, almost like it's -- they don't mean to be judgmental but it's like i say what should we look like? you're implying there's an outfit to wear to bring peace to you. the whole point of our faith to come exactly as you are. jesus loves you. he died and rose again so you could have life. >> you have to admit that the way you dress, the tattoos, the way you look -- >> that's the point. >> gets people talking and is that a bad thing? >> no. you wonder why you're calling a hipster church. >> you don't even know. >> do you own a mirror? >> no. first of all, let me explain what a hipster is someone that lives in brooklyn. >> yeah. >> who has a much better beard. >> where do you live? >> brooklyn. >> reporter: while they draw crowds, it draws skeptics. >> any time a church gets people in the door it's a good thing but the problem and

sermons" and lentz baptized nba star kevin durant.issues and politics. >> my thing is jesus transcends politics. whether i'm right wing, left wing, democrat, republican. >> reporter: are you going to tell us? >> no, that wouldn't be in i fun. some christians say you can't be a democrat and follow jesus. that really bugs me. >> reporter: some of his positions are clearer than others. don't get drunk. no sex before marriage. are gay men and women welcome in the church? >> absolutely. we have a lot of gay men and women in our church and i pray we always do. >> it's not our place to tell anyone how they should live. that's their journey. >> reporter: every article i've read about you guys, you decline to discuss gay marriage. >> yes, it's a misquote because i do discuss it, just not the way people want me to. when it comes to homosexuality i refuse to let another human being or a media moment dictate how we approach it. jesus was in the thick of an era where homosexuality, just like it is today, was wildly prevalent, and i'm still waiting

>>> before the break we introduced you to pastor carl lentz.k concert at times. hillsong nyc which he founded in the heart of new york is drawing an unlikely flock, the young and trendy and celebrities as well. the church's balance sheet is exploding. here's part two of the report. >> reporter: hillsong church has a band with 13 million albums sold. >> reporter: some newspapers have pegged the church's worth at 50 million to $100 million. are those numbers right? >> it would be in the ballpark. it's tiny compared with the catholic church. >> reporter: tithing is encouraged. credit cards accepted. some people look at it they live in a cool neighborhood, nice place on the river. >> if you go down that road you cannot be poor enough for some people but we are never going to cater to that mind set of people telling us how to live. >> reporter: as pastor carl lentz's star rises, celebrities gatherer around him. >> the goal of the church is from the nameless to the famous. we should have celebrities. we believe. we're trying to reach everybody. >> re

. >> reporter: as the pastor carl lentz rises, he has celebrities that surround him. >> the goal of ours. our church should have celebrities, we believe, because we're trying to reach everybody. >> reporter: justin bieber tweeted, i broke down today after one of lentz's sermons. we wanted to know where lentz falls on social issues and politics. >> my thing is that jesus transcends politics. >> reporter: some of his positions are clearer than others. don't get drunk, no sex before marriage. our gay men and women allowed in the church? >> yes, we have a lot of gay men and women in the church and i hope we always do. >> it's not our place to tell anyone how to live. that's their journey. >> reporter: every article that i've read about you guys says he declined to discuss gay marriage. >> yes. it's a misquote because i do discuss it, just not the way people want me to. when it comes to homosexuality, i refuse to let another human being or a media moment dictate how we approach it. jesus was in the thick of an era where homosexuality, just like it is today, was widely prevalent. and i'm stil

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tobias lentz gurevich wolde-giorgis from citigroup. michael hall and will join us. me, i'm joking. michael hall and will also join us. all eyes over here, also on the world cup, but wimbledon is getting underway -- playinga, the u.s. is still, i believe england has gone home. >> or have been a few tears here. but what about wimbledon? are you backing andy murray? i know you're a hockey guy. >> wimbledon? can you get me tickets? i will come over if you and i can't eat strawberries. >> can we expense them? i do know, 5000 pounds per ticket. wimbledon.ore on thousands of fans are there is the oldest tennis tournament begins today. if you're a low ranking player, even more reason to show up this year. hallowed turft's has seen some of tennis's biggest battles and since the rise of one particular homegrown player, even more of a battle for tickets. peaceful. he doesn't get bothered by our members when he comes here to practice. >> the reigning champion andy murray, opportunity twice as much. but promises a reserved seat for every day of the tournament for five-year perio

here with us is the pastor of hillsong church, carl lentz. good morning, thank you for joining us. come to. >> if you make it through the parade, yes, we have a 10:00 a.m. service that we'll be at, yeah. >> there are strobe lights and people are wearing skinny jeans and have cool haircuts and all that. what is it, do you think, is bringing people in and bringing people to christ? >> well, i don't know. i think our church is kind of a place where we are trying to let people know you come as you are. so you have people who are not in skinny jeans, don't have tattoos and don't look like a new yorker, but the whole point is to come as you are. and that's who jesus is and what our faith is about. so it will make sense to have church where you recognize it in new york, we have lights and stuff, but a place everyone can come. >> the principles you stand on, are they different than your average church? >> no. i mean, i don't know every average church, i can't speak on that behalf, but there are some things different. if you were born in an old school church where you have to look a certain