carl lentz, pastor of hillsong of new york city. congregation loves him. >> we thank you for what you're going to do in jesus' name. amen. >> but music and production would make a rock band blush, the church draws thousands to multiple services every sunday. >> i've heard it describ as the hipstered church. you have to have ripped jeans to come here. >> it is come as you are. that god will never leave you like that. >> but don't let the big city swagger mislead you. hillsong is old school, part of the church base in the sydney, australia with campuses across the world. >> there is a hip modern day spirit to it. but this is a church that has taken homosexuality, on positions that seem like a new modern hip environment. >> i think we're the most overrated hip church ever. like we don't believe the bib has ever needed a remix. we don't believe it needed an update. we don't believe we can change what god has always said. people ask us, are you going to evolve in your views? jesus has always said who he says he is. the gospel is who he s

another b two of the states you can be found in bunched up gotti park i'm here with chris john lentz who is the artistic director of p.t. h.p.n. for a whole year in the run up to the beatles anniversary on december seventeenth twenty twenty there will be a variety of concerts exhibitions and festivals. as the artistic director. i'm sure you can tell me what's happening in twenty twenty five of the b.d.f. or any thoughts of you could say b g h b n is our d.n.a. it's what guides us. based on these five letters that stand for beethoven we've come up with five theme is being used to be a stands for bon beethoven stands for tone construct which is german for musician that of course is the main focus especially interesting is age that stands for beethoven the human asked the values of the french revolution liberty equality and fraternity were important to him and he puts them across in his music the stands for visionary beethoven always broke the boundaries that is the form of composition in his time and shape the creativity of the future. and stands for beethoven as a friend of nature and

joining me philadelphia attorney bryan lentz and from l.a., civil rights attorney, areva martin. the right guy around whom we should be building a conversation about mass incarceration? >> i think the answer is absolutely not. the mass incarceration conversation is really a conversation about reforming the laws that result in folks going to jail. and to reform the laws, you need legislation. and in order to get those laws passed, you need to expand the constituency of people that are interested in it. for instance, life without parole in pennsylvania doesn't a big constituency. but it's an issue that should be addressed. there are people on -- serving life in p.a. that shouldn't be in jail anymore. but if you highlight a case like this, where you start with this seriousness of the initial offense. he was initially accused of pointing a loaded firearm at a police officer. while exiting a house that was about to be raided for drug dealing. he went to trial. the judge acquitted him of the most serious offense, but did find him guilty of drug dealing and possessing an illegal firearm

. >> reporter: jennifer lentz online, they chatted by text and on the phone. >> and it was kind of flattering >> of course. >> reporter: attention jonathan continued to lavish on jennifer, even after he started sleeping with sabrina. >> even during the time that he's supposedly so madly in love with sabrina, he's still constantly texting her, sending her pictures, communicating with her -- >> reporter: the defense argued jonathan hearn was a slick, bible-quoting predator, sabrina his innocent victim. the real head snapper came when the defense argued sabrina was also a victim of her own supposed best friend. kelly bernatene. remember she'd suspected sabrina before almost anyone. >> because she'd already lied to me once. >> reporter: on the witness stand, kelly was forced to admit she didn'tus limons' open marriage. she and her husband jason participated. some of her testimony was for mature audiences, only. >> did you and ms. limon and her husband and your husband engage in sexual activity together? >> yes, we did. >> reporter: i'll admit, when i approached this issue with the bernatenes, i w