them not only plasma therapy, but you're giving them steroids, you give them anticoago anticoago gu lentz, we may not know. the trend looks like it's clearly something, but that's where we stand. >> we've seen in the sunbelt that the number of cases and hospitalizations and a lot of the data in these states is heading in the right direction. there are warnings, including from dr. redfield about a rise in the midwest. he's very concerned. he said it's a third possible wave of cases in the mist. you c midwest. you can see the senates red. and then we have the positivity rate in universities. you have wu139 active vases in missouri. tuscaloosa is closing bars in alabama. talk to me about the good, the bad, and the ugly here. >> there's not a lot of good to talk about, unfortunately in the is whack-a-mole where we keep on knocking one down and another one pops up and the problem is we never fully knocked the one down in the first place. so let's unpack this a bit. so in the southern united states, the numbers are going down, there's no question about it. but, it's not getting on to the level