she went and interviewed leon davis's lawyer and sure enough that is what happened.we learned this lesson likely get really jaded to hear clients say they didn't do it and evidence is overwhelming that they did with prosecutors dropped the case and they are told what it's good for and they have every reason to believe that and it's hard not to get jaded i think. >> that is one of the great challenges we have to revert the rules to protect against cognitive bias. if you play by the rules and try to keep an open mind and investigations whether the prosecutor or defense lawyer, it helps. this is a critical fault because my relatives and friends would kill me for saying it about if i had a clinic in the united states, i would give people their tuition money back if they worked two years for a prosecutor and then worked the next two years as a defense lawyer and vice versa because i don't think -- i think too much of this is tribal and within my limited life in the law i've seen defenders and prosecutors get into these jobs and stay there and they don't go out on the othe