i was just talking about that r leon panetta.bligation to do something to get them out and joining me now is "new york times "michael crowley and chief correspondent ayman nowaz. they hosted just within the hour of the final departure day on the tarmac, the ambassador, the flag, the corps of consular officials who have done so much to try to get both. they got out and i know the white house is frustrated and not focusing on the 100,000 that did get out and those this left behind were either on the siv list and denied, even though they're veterans buddies said there's no reason. he did two tours with him. no reason that guy should have been denied. how do we ever get them out? >> right, andrea. so the phase that just completed was this frenzied, massive logistical operation of, you know, aircraft coming in at an unbelievable pace, cramming hundreds of people in planes meant to seat far fewer. what will happen now becomes much more of a sort of careful diplomatic effort where the u.s. government tries to persuade the taliban to all

countries to extend that. >> thanks so much, janice frayer from beijing. >>> joining us now is leon panettaector that helped oversee the successful hunt for osama bin laden. secretary panetta, first, let's listen to part of what president biden said yesterday about afghanistan. afghanistan political leaders gave up and fled the country. the afghan military collapsed sometimes without trying to fight. if anything, the developments of the past week reinforced that any u.s. involvement in afghanistan now was the right decision. american troops cannot and should not be fighting in a war and dying in a war that afghan forces are not willing to fight for themselves. >> there's been some pushback against that claim and clearly the afghan troops did not fight, but to blame them when they were according to veterans were cure courageous and they felt abandoned and we announced the withdrawal, closed bagram and they hadn't been paid in months by the afghan corrupt government. so blaming them entirely doesn't seem fair. >> no, i -- i really wish that the president hadn't tried to lay the blame on peopl

. >>> joining me now, is leon panetta. grateful to see you on this important day. nick was just describing the situation on the ground. afghanistan has fallen to the taliban. president of the united states was silent this weekend as this all played out. he will address the american people and the world in a few hours. what must he say? >> well, i think it's very important, considering that this is, obviously, a sad and tragic day and particularly those over the last 20 years who served in afghanistan and sacrificed to make sure that what has happened today would not happen. so i think the president has to take responsibility. he is president of the united states. he is going to have to take responsibility. he is going to have to admit the mistakes that were made and, at the same time, i think as commander in chief, he is going to have to make very clear to the world that the united states is going to go after terrorism no matter where it's located and that we will not stand for al qaeda or isis to reestablish themselves in this islamic caliphate. he has to say we w

joining us now, leon panetta who served as the defense director.eing with us. the u.s. over the weekend, the state department saying basically that the afghan government has to do more, that they were giving up without a fight. now kelly is reporting there has been some fighting overnight, the last 24 hours. the afghan security forces are far more supported, 300,000 troops, air force, special forces and heavy equipment. the state department wrote we are committed to supporting those forces well into the future. why do you think, mr. secretary, that they're not fighting back? >> well, there's no question that the situation is deteriorating rapidly. we've got five capitals that have fallen in three days, three fell on sunday alone. so it's obvious that the afghans are not putting up the kind of fight that is essential here. they have got to be able to stop the taliban momentum at some point. and if they don't, i think there is a real danger that afghanistan could be lost to the taliban within a number of weeks. >> and that would mean that kabul has f

however, leon panetta is right.o be back in there to play whack-a-mole with terrorist groups that pop up and are a threat to us. the war on the ground in afghanistan may be over for a short time, the war against terrorism is not over and really, if you talk to most people, it can't be. one more point, president biden in the meeting with israeli prime minister said we stand with you. we are allies with you, almost like he's trying to shore up world allies because they are questioning that. >> sandra: bret, i want to finish up with the "washington post" this morning, put it up on the screen. biden embrace with military that is grieving. rest assured when histories written, there will be enough blame for all to share. for today, too much sorrow. karl and bret, thank you for joining us. >> thank you. >> john: live look at the white house briefing room, we are waiting for press secretary jen psaki to update the situation in afghanistan, scheduled four minutes if now. we'll take it live when it starts. >> sandra: we will

director leon panetta calling it biden's bay of pigs and thanks to the ill-fated actions of our derelict low functioning president, the worst case scenario has been playing out before our eyes. ignoring the advice of his tap military commanders. they wanted slow withdrawal of u.s. troops based on the ground. now afghanistan has fallen to the islamic extremists, the taliban in record time. kabul, they just said, oh, it would be 90 days, the earliest that they will ever take over kabul. it was overrun in a matter of hours. taliban fighters are now in control of a massive stockpile, guess what, of joe biden u.s. taxpayer paid for weapons, ammo, vehicles, and other supplies abandoned during biden's hasty retreat. he wasn't even smart enough to take our munitions out. terrorists from al qaeda and isis were freed from multiple prisons all across this country. they soon will be plotting and planning their future attacks on all the u.s. and the rest of the world fermenting terror. the american flag lowered over our embassy beyond humiliating, as diplomats hastily were evacuated by helicopter to

let me start with the same question that i asked leon panetta. may vo gotten wrong in the last 20 years? >> i think one of the principal mistakes made is that leaders did not explain why it is in our national security interests to have a continuing u.s. military presence in afghanistan. as an insurance policy to make sure that the taliban did not come back to power, and provide safe aichb haven for isis, al qaeda, and other groups. and also the threat of the terrorist government inback stan. for that strategic reason it has been valid for to years. but i think it got lost in the noise of that nation building in afghanistan. and now people say after 20 years and billions and billions of dollars spent that nation building didn't succeed, so we have no interests and that is simply false. we had a presence in afghanistan to protect american civilians. not to do charity work for the afghanistans. >> so in hindsight the original sin may have been the war in iraq? perhaps we would have had the political will to do what you suggested? >> there was a lot

saigon circa 1975, steroids, former defense secretary and cia director leon panetta rightly calling it biden's bay of pigs and things to the ill-fated actions of our derelict low functioning president if you want to even say that, that is somewhat charitable. the absolute worst-case scenario has been playing out before our eyes, biden ignoring the advice in the counsel of his top u.s. military commanders. we want to slow evacuation of u.s. troops based on conditions on the ground. ignore the warnings from our intel on the ground and now afghanistan has fallen to the islamic extremists, the taliban in record time. they just said last week it would be 90 days at the earliest and it was overrun in a matter of hours. taliban fighters are now in control of a massive stockpile of joe biden u.s. taxpayer paid for weapons and ammo, vehicles, other supplies abandoned during biden's hasty retreat. it wasn't even smart enough to take munitions out. terrorists from al qaeda and isis were freed from multiple prisons all across this country, they soon will be plotting and planning their future terro

do you agree with secretary leon panetta?re going to have to go back in to get isis. here are the results. 56% of more than, let's call it 56,000 people who voted. sadly, they agree. i hope he's wrong. i fear that he's right. here are some of the social media reaction that's come in while i've been on air. smerconish, panetta is a warmonger like the republicans. they should be handled by air strikes. going back with the taliban in charge would be foolish, and start another endless war. i don't know that papanetta, to your first observation, was cheering on the result. that's not where he is coming from. as to your second point, i happen to share it. hopefully we can do whatever is necessary remotely, as was apparently done in the last 24 hours with one of the planners of the isis-k attack that killed 13 of our soldiers on thursday. one more if i have time, and i think that i do. here it is. smerconish, what is sad is you blaming president biden. really? kick rocks. i'm stopping right there. when president trump negotiated the

leon panetta says yes. >> he documented the aftermath of yesterday's attack. today he's covering funerals. i'll speak to a photographer in afghanistan right now. riends. pay as low as $25 a month. or bring a friend and you both get a month for $5. so the more people you roll with, the more you save. visible. unlimited data as low as $25 a month. or bring a friend and you both get a month for $5. you need an ecolab scientific clean here. and you need it here. and here. and here. which is why the scientific expertise that helps operating rooms stay clean is now helping the places you go every day too. seek a commitment to clean. look for the ecolab science certified seal. for skin that never holds you back don't settle for silver #1 for diabetic dry skin* #1 for psoriasis symptom relief* and #1 for eczema symptom relief* gold bond champion your skin this is the greatest idea you'll ever hear. okay, it's an app that compares hundreds of travel sites for hotels and cars and vacation rentals like kayak does for flights. so it's kayak. yeah, like kayak. why don't yo

. >>> former secretary of defense leon panetta, mr. secretary, many thanks. good to see you again. today president biden said they hold the taliban to their word you've been quoted as saying you never trusted the taliban. is it a mistake for the united states to count on them for cooperation? >> i believe it is i think the taliban is not to be trusted. the reality is that the taliban has provided safe haven for terrorists in the past, and they will continue to provide a safe haven for terrorists we've got almost 2,000 isis-k terrorists, al qaeda is going to re-establish itself there. >> which do you say that >> so we have a number of terrorists that we're going to have to confront in the future. >> why do you say al qaeda will re-establish is there evidence of that, or is that just hi as our guide? >> well, i saw a recent interview with a spokesman from the taliban, when he was asked about bin laden's role in 9/11 he said i saw no evidence that bin laden was involved in 9/11 if the taliban is defending bin laden in 9/11, and you know they're going to continue to provide a safe have

leon panetta sat in the situation room with vice president biden during debates about afghanistan.n you heard congressman chrissy houlahan, that the white house closely aligned itself with, saying frankly she can't explain this decision, is having a hard time explaining the decision. the x factor politically for president biden has been this perception of competency, even more, understanding of the electorate that many others in his party don't necessarily feel they share as well. he always had the benefit of the doubt. this white house insisted they have a better understanding of what the american people believe than twitter or the press. certainly a lot of members of their own party. that very much seems to be in doubt. yes, the president did an important thing as far as the administration is concerned. yesterday, spoke quickly, helped to reassert his confidence in his decision. the white house needed this time to regroup themselves again because it is august. a lot of them were scattered around. they're starting to mount political defense that is nesat this moment. we'll see tha

david axelrod came on tv and leon panetta came on tv.e telling the president take the blame and america will respect you for doing that. that's not what happened. >> dana: also this from matthew -- talking to friends and family in the american midwest. many in d.c., they really don't like losing in a humiliating fashion. >> bill: gut wrenching images. we showed afghans drawing comparisons with the u.s. exit out of vietnam in 1975. in a moment the only america tv reporter who was in vietnam who witnessed the fall of saigon. he says the situation today is far worse. also with us the former obama advisor calling president biden to fire his national security advisor. he will make his case next. is holding rs, a the line on interest rates. the newday two and a quarter refi is the lowest in their history. two and quarter percent, just 2.48 apr. save thousands a year. one, two! one, two, three! only pay for what you need! with customized car insurance from liberty mutual! nothing rhymes with liberty mutual. only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty

and we can't forget former us defense secretary leon panetta, senior counselor at beacon global strategy is hardly an unbiased party. another fare mention is florida republican mike waltz, who made up to $25000000.00 in profits. after selling a defense firm, which has offices in afghanistan. the problem is terrorism. that opens up ghana, sand doesn't stay in afghanistan, we will be archived a 3.0. they are working closely with the taliban and they do tend to attack eric and former secretary of state conduct. liza rice offered her $0.02 on y. america's longest war was not long enough. 20 years may also not have been enough to consolidate all gains against terrorism and the sure our own safety. we and they needed more time. once again, rice's place on the board of c 3, a i, a defense contracting company is conveniently left out of our article with all these powerful officials having one foot in the capitalist pool and the other in that of the u. s. government. it's not hard to imagine why endless war is a very lucrative business decision for some stock returns from 2001 to 2021 for governm

leon panetta, a former cia director, says he has no doubt that the taliban remain terrorists.ing to continue to support terrorists and he, of course, is talking about al-qaeda and various different other radical islamist groups, including islamic state. does russia take the same view? well, we have seen that director of cia has just met with leaders of taliban and he was talking to them. i do not know about what, but it's a fact of life. and what i do understand, although i'm not a big specialist in the middle east, in the middle east, but i can say that taliban is different. they have different wings in it, and very political wings, radicalwings, islamist wings, and so on. what will be the outcome? but it does not represent the whole people of afghanistan. we have other fractions and other people, not only pashtuns, who are leading over there. a final thought on afghanistan. the un high commissioner for human rights, michelle bachelet, she wants the united nations security council and the member nations to focus like a laser beam on human rights in afghanistan. she says there

. >> i share nothing with leon panetta. to some extent i think jesse is right. the taliban wants nobody to in have ad them. they want to be in power. they went to the turkish government and said we don't know how to run an airport can you run the airport. they asked the president of turkey. right. they want a world legitimacy. they have the embassy of china and russia open. they said we want to be legitimate so we're not invaded again. that's number one. number two, i think the american public is against going back in. this with draw makes it clear we don't want to go in or see these pictures on our screen again. i think biden has to own the consequences of his decisions. >> i don't think he knows what he wants to do. if he wants to stay out and with draw completely or ramp things back up. >> stew shay. yes.his critics need to understd that if we stayed beyond the trump deal, including the 2020 negotiations of pompeo those conditions say the taliban won't allow territory for isis-k or al-qaeda to regrow. we knows happening but at agreements say they're not suppo

and leon panetta said we have to go back and at some point because of the complete mass that has beens we will have to go back in? >> absolutely. not only afghanistan will require us because of the expansion of isis and al qaeda and just the opportunity of the ungoverned spaces like what has happened in north africa and all of the places they take advantage of ungoverned spaces, we will have to go back in. so let's extend the deadline, get all americans out, and once we do that, go in and destroy the taliban and al qaeda and isis and then we claim our credibility in the world. what did it take? a lieutenant colonel in the united states marine corps to sound off on the incompetence. they fired him. that's a they do to people that give them the right information and decisions, they get rid of them. steve: exactly. i just want to say again, thank you for your clarity with all of this and the strengthen the conviction. this is what we expect from our military. of what you have outlined we appreciate you being with us this weekend i hope you can join us as the story unfolds. it is not the

i want to go to leon panetta's incendiary comments equating afghanistan to bay of pigs in 1961.bul to havana in 1961, are there similarities for this nation? >> i think we are going through an incredibly tragic time right now with the fall of afghanistan. i think the moment calls for looking forward, not back. the evacuation of people who want to leave afghanistan is the job right now. the fact that that operation is moving ahead shows there was planning to deal with a great deal of uncertainty. there will be time after this to look back and ask the questions. i think for right now the job number one is to keep moving forward and get as many people, americans and people who helped our effort there who want to leave the country out of the country. tom: all would agree you've been a class act about avoiding the republican-democrat sniping we see day after day. assist us with the institutional weakness that was there when the trump administration. did any of this occur because state was institutionally weaker or our intelligent communities were institutionally weaker? jacob: i thin

leon panetta calling it bay of pigs-like. jonathan: the u.s. and its allies facing a lot of criticism. the debate for many in the u.k., the united states, and far beyond is not about whether to stay or to leave. it is about how the united states left, how allies left afghanistan. the airport in kabul, those scenes, a lot of explaining to be done by this administration and others around the world. tom: president biden at camp david again. let's go through the data right now. equities, -20. dow futures, -200. jonathan: it is brutal out there. we are down 0.4% on the s&p. i hate to dow points thing, but let's not get into that. down on tens to 1.2250 percent. euro-dollar a little bit negative. crude down 0.7%. jonathan: i am going to let jon ring in our next guest because he's got a working conversation with him. put the real yield, -- "the real yield," look for it this weekend. they sponsored walter cronkite in the 20th century and on through the decades. i don't know what it was, 10, 12, 15 years ago, prudential and now pgim woke up to excellenc

director leon panetta calling it biden's bay of pigs and thanks to the ill-fated actions of our derelict functioning president, the worst case scenario has been playing out before our eyes.

one of the most important things to remember here is picking up on what leon panetta said.st al qaeda might have a safe haven if the taliban assume full control of afghanistan. al qaeda has been working with the taliban. al qaeda is linked to the taliban. they share leadership and operations, some of the taliban prisoners that were released as a result of the february 2020 deal that the u.s. struck with the taliban were, in fact, al qaeda. i think it is a mistake to say we could be going back to a point where al qaeda can reestablish a safe haven. al qaeda has been operating in afghanistan for a long time. i think the fact that the biden administration has so cavalierly dismissed that and are now making threats against the taliban if they provide a safe haven for al qaeda suggests they don't understand what's going on on the ground at all. >> bill: jessica we've seen pretty horrific images already today of women and kids in the street bleeding. obviously victims of some level of violence leveled by the taliban. this could be just the beginning of it. who knows what's happen

leon panetta has been outspoken and critical. this yesterday about the high possibility or probability in his words that we are going back into afghanistan. watch. >> we'll have to go back in to get isis. we'll probably have to go back in when al qaeda rest rekts itself. -- resurrects itself. we can leave a battlefield but we can't leave the war on terrorism. >> bill: the comment yesterday on cnn. the isis-k group is a splinter group described as 100 or 200 men living in different parts of eastern afghanistan. all right, to me that sounds devious. years ago there was a bomb in a soda can and put it on an airplane and it blew up. who knows what schemes they're planning now? i think panetta is exactly right. >> i think so, too. i would worry about the numbers. when president obama pulled out of iraq, he said well, you know, there are just a few hundred of these isis guys and then had to go back in. panetta, who remember is a democrat who served as secretary of state and c.i.a. director, i think he is absolutely right. president bid

even obama's defense secretary, even former cia director, he did both jobs, leon panetta rightly is calling for a swift military response. i don't agree with him politically but he know what's he's talking about here. this morning joe biden himself could note be bothered to answer any other questions about afghanistan. especially after and in light of yesterday's disaster. not even they told me to call on whoever being dictated by his staff. he doesn't want them to get mad at him. obviously they call the shots. take a look. >> i met with my commanders this morning first thing in the morning. got a detailed briefing about yesterday's attacks and the measures they're taking to protect our forces and complete the mission. and we mr. complete the mission. i'm not going to take any questions because of the prime minister being here on afghanistan now. i'll be available at another time. >> sean: i'm not going to take questions. i might get yelled at again. what will happen to americans clearly now? it's inevitable. we'll leave them behind. how will they ever get out? what are we doing to protect

tom: leon panetta on cnn goes the other way and says this will extend our stay. a point of discussion this morning? annmarie: we do know the president had directed the departing of defense and the state department to drop contingency plans, but we heard -- to draft contingency plans, but we heard he is not extending that deadline. right after that, there is a briefing with his press secretary press psaki -- press secretary jen psaki, and she said that because of isis-k, that is who they assessed conducted suicide bombing yesterday, that is the reason why they must get out as soon physically possible. lisa: what is sentiment like among military commanders right now? annmarie: it is a bit mixed. some saying they should get out as soon as possible because of what we had yesterday, and of courts -- and of course, the tragedy of the 13 servicemembers who were there in a humanitarian effort to make sure they could evacuate american citizens and afghan allies. others, many say we should have stayed in afghanistan for years to come. it was a security force in the region.